christian student with questions

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isobel's picture
i just really am not

i just really am not concerned about it, but its ok for u to care. im a millennial of the internet. im rather fluent in txt lingo and i find it to be quicker

Dave Matson's picture
Tin-man,

Tin-man,

Nicely stated! I enjoy reading your posts in part because you do have a knack for writing!

Tin-Man's picture
@Greensnake

@Greensnake

Muchos gracias, Senor Verde. Writing is something of a fun pastime for me. Plus, it helps keep all the tiny gears in my rusty noggin from totally seizing up on me. *grin*

isobel's picture
thnx for assuming my

thnx for assuming my intelligence based on just a forum. i actually have a 4.0

LogicFTW's picture
I personally do not think you

I personally do not think you are dumb, just young. Ofcourse we have little to judge by other than what is written here. You take shortcuts avoiding capitalization and writing out full words.

Even the statement: "i actually have a 4.0"
Comes off as young.

Any talk of, especially in a defensive manner, where it comes off as: Look I am smart, example x,y,z. Tends to lead people to conclude one is insecure about their own intelligence, and/or young.

Despite this, congratulations, on your 4.0, if you can maintain that through high school you may be able to get a good scholarship to a good university, have the study habits in place to complete a degree in an in demand field, that will makes it much easier to get to, and maintain, a middle to upper class lifestyle.

isobel's picture
i think it's unnecessary to

i think it's unnecessary to use complete proper English on here. maybe ur generations dont understand it, which is fine, but it is not a practice used only by the lazy idiots of the world, really just the efficient. ill admit it was silly to defend my intelligence, esp to just say that i have a 4.0. i sounded like Dwight from the office (if u watch that show) lol. im human and still fairly young, but i'm almost an adult so i don't have much excuse for being momentarily petty.

Sushisnake's picture
@Isobel

@Isobel

Re: it is not a practice used only by the lazy idiots of the world, really just the efficient.

Oh dear. I'll have to tell my Millennial son who's studying dual degrees, works part time and is paying off a mortgage that his dislike of online/text abbreviations and refusal to use them is a sign of his inefficiency. That'll make him laugh out loud.

Tin-Man's picture
@Isobel Re: "thnx for

@Isobel Re: "thnx for assuming my intelligence..."

Frett not, little Miss. I was assuming nothing about you. If I were to give an opinion, however, I can tell you have a good deal of smarts about you. And I am somewhat familiar with your generation's style of shorthand communications lingo.I have a stepdaughter who is maybe three or four years older than you, so I have gradually become accustomed to deciphering her texts over the years. *chuckle*

I was merely pointing out that when dealing with complex and controversial subjects such as those discussed on this site, those "convenient" and "effecient" language shortcuts can easily lead to severe misinterpretations and misunderstandings. I totally understand they can be useful and save time during texts between friends for day-to-day matters. On sites like this, though, it often pays to be as clear and concise as possible, even if it takes a little extra time to type. Better to do that than possibly end up using considerably MORE time trying to untangle a misunderstanding caused by a "shortcut". (Just my humble opinion.)

Plus, as a bonus, if you already have good writing skills, use your time on here to practice and sharpen those skills. It can actually be fun sometimes if you give it a chance.

Sheldon's picture
That and her inability to

That and her inability to define words or even consult a dictionary.

isobel's picture
did i not cite that?! omg im

did i not cite that?! omg im so sorry! i didnt mean to do that! my bad totally. its aginst my religeon to bear false witness against my neighbors, and thats wut i did. plz forgive me. it will not happen again. ik this is going to be misconstrued and you probably wont believe me, but i truly am sorry.
also i would never intentionally try to pass all that off as my own. lololol theres no way i could write that esp in under, like, 2 hrs

Nyarlathotep's picture
Well you know; you could go

Well you know; you could go back and edit in an attribution/link/something. Maybe remove his text, and replace it with your summary and a link to it?

isobel's picture
https://jdgreear.com/blog/why
Nyarlathotep's picture
Why have you not removed it?

@ isobel

Why have you not removed it? Did you not see the copyright notice on that page you plagiarized? Do you realize you are placing our organization at risk through your actions? Do you not think you should remove the copyrighted material you put on this website?

I should I have removed it right away; egg on my face. Don't worry; it's gone now!

isobel's picture
thanku

thanku

TheBlindWatchmaker's picture
I believe there is not a

I believe there is not a single thing that happens within the reality we all experience that cannot be explained by natural means,
the extra baggage of having a mythical deity behind it all makes no logical sense whatsoever.

isobel's picture
how do u define "atheism" and

how do u define "atheism" and "Christianity"

Sheldon's picture
atheism

atheism
noun
disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

Christianity
noun
the religion based on the person and teachings of Jesus Christ, or its beliefs and practices.

LogicFTW's picture
@isobel

@isobel
My response to isobels "define" question is almost identical to Sheldon's response above, so just put down my response as same as his.

isobel's picture
(this is an interview

(this is an interview question. again, im not going to argue)
a common argument theists offer is that morality has no actuality without the existence of a god. What is ur personal foundation for ur morals?

Dave Matson's picture
isobel,

isobel,

I know how to be nice to others, which is the ultimate basis for morality. The claim that a god is needed to validate some moral standard makes about as much sense as saying that a god is needed to validate the goodness of a vanilla pudding. If it tastes great and doesn't harm you then it's a great vanilla pudding. God's opinion is not needed.

Morality is the grease that allows people to smoothly interact in a small society. It boils down to being nice to those around you, a strong plus for your long term survival in a small tribe. If that society is functioning smoothly, and people are getting along nicely, then they are following good moral standards. God's opinion is not needed. As you can see, there is no absolute standard in that people have different ideas about how to properly behave and dress. But neither is it totally relative in that humans have similar needs. Murdering your neighbor, stealing from tribal members, and lying will be frowned upon in almost any tribal society.

As states grew larger and commerce stretched to distant lands, as foreign visitors became common, the great thinkers realized that the moral rules apply beyond the tribe as well as within the tribe. You had to be nice to your trading partners and to important visitors. The great moral thinkers also understood that the stranger over yonder was very much like yourself. Thus, the Golden Rule.

Let an intelligent ruler, who values his own well being, set the rules for a society. I will then place him in the worst possible slot. If a slave society is desired, then he will be a slave! If Jews are to be murdered, then he will be the next Jew to be murdered! The rules that this intelligent ruler formulates, after much thought, will be a good approximation of good moral rules. Moral behavior boils down to being nice to one another, and God is totally irrelevant.

A great deal more can be written on this subject, so consider this reply to be a very short answer.

Sky Pilot's picture
isobel,

isobel,

"What is ur personal foundation for ur morals?"

According to the biblical fairy tale when man ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil he became as smart as Yahweh was on those issues (Genesis 3:22).

Genesis 3:22 (NLT) = 22 Then the Lord God said, “Look, the human being have become like us, knowing both good and evil. What if they reach out, take fruit from the tree of life, and eat it? Then they will live forever!”

So we don't need Yahweh to tell us what's good and what's evil. We know as much as he does about such things. If we could live forever we wouldn't need him at all.

Just remember, when discussing morality from a biblical pov Yahweh is not necessary. We became like him when Adam & Eve ate from the tree.

Sushisnake's picture
@Isobel

@Isobel

Re: "(this is an interview question. again, im not going to argue)
a common argument theists offer is that morality has no actuality without the existence of a god. What is ur personal foundation for ur morals?"

The Law of Reciprocity aka the Golden Rule. You'd recognise it as Matthew 7:12, but it's far, far older than Christianity and you'll find a version of it in all societies, religions and social moral codes- monotheist, polytheist and atheist. I personally prefer the negative version- DON'T do to others what you wouldn’t want them to do to you: it forces you to consider what people don’t want and won't welcome instead of blundering in blindly to do good in the arrogant assumption you know what's best for other people. Unfortunately, Christian countries have a bad habit of blundering in to do unto others- it's one of the more tragic symptoms of Christian hegemony.

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@ Sushi

@ Sushi

I am so stealing this...

Sushisnake's picture
@Tin Man

@Tin Man
You're welcome to. :-)

Tin-Man's picture
@Sushi Re: "You're welcome

@Sushi Re: "You're welcome to. :-)"

Ummm... Was that meant for Old Man? I mean, I know it is easy to get us confused with each other, but - C'mon! - I'm obviously prettier than he is. *primping my hair*

Sushisnake's picture
@Tin Man

@Tin Man
Apologies. Yes, it was meant for Old Man. Apologies to both of you. And yes, your metal shines prettily, but Old Man has such lovely wrinkles. I don't do favourites.

LogicFTW's picture
@Isobel

@Isobel

The foundation of my morals is almost the same as Sushisnake's, (treat others like how you would like to be treated, and its related don't do things you would not want people to do to you.)

I will also add, my morals are also based on teamwork and cooperation among the group is mutually beneficial to everyone in the group.

For teamwork and cooperation to work, certain "morals" must be upheld to help facilitate this.

Sky Pilot's picture
The argument over atheism is

The argument over atheism is silly. If a person is a religious believer then everyone else who doesn't believe in his specific delusion is an atheist on a rocket ship to hell. It's not good enough to believe in a deity. It's not even good enough to believe in the same deity that the other religious nut believes in. Jesus believers hate each other. Allah believers hate each other. Buddha believers hate each other. And so forth. They will even kill each other because some of the other nut cases believe a few details that the other nut cases don't believe in.

All gods are imaginary and no two people believe in the same version. So in reality everyone is an atheist. And by the criteria Yeshua gave not one person in all of history has ever believed in him. Religion is just a business and a social club. The con men force everyone into it so that they can get rich and have power and influence. The dummies go along with it so that they won't get ostracized or killed.

isobel's picture
martyrs went along with

martyrs went along with Christianity just so they wouldn't get ostracized or killed?

Sky Pilot's picture
isobel,

isobel,

"martyrs went along with Christianity just so they wouldn't get ostracized or killed?"

People love to die for their favorite cause. They especially like to die for religious causes because they have been brainwashed into believing that they will gain eternal life and goodies if they bleed out for their favorite deity.

As a believer don't you want Yeshua to return? Well he won't return until a specific number of believers have been slaughtered for their faith in him. So when believers become martyrs they are hastening Yeshua's return. Doen't that make you feel special and eager to jump into the lions' den?

Revelation 6:9-11 (NKJV) = " 9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed."

Jesus loves it when people are killed for him. He won't come back until he gets his magic body count.

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