Evidence of GOD/ JESUS over Myths.

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bigbill's picture
here are some names scholars

here are some names scholars ben Witherington, Bart Ehrman, Alister Magrath, N>T> wright, Paul myer I could go on and on.William lane Craig ravi Zacharis

algebe's picture
@SA: "Jesus was a real

@SA: "Jesus was a real historical figure."

There were lots of men called Jesus (Latin for Jeshua) in 1st century Judea. Barabbas' first name was Jesus. Saying Jesus was a historical figure is like saying Donald was a historical figure in our time. Do you mean Donald Duck, Donald Rumsfeld, Donald Sutherland? (I can't think of any others right now.)

If you're claiming that the leper-healing, wine-making, death-defying, fish-multiplying magician in the New Testament was historical, then I'd like to sell you the Eiffel Tower.

curtisabass's picture
You missed Donald Trump.

You missed Donald Trump. Would that he were a mythic figure.

Dave Matson's picture
simply agnostic:

simply agnostic:

Whether the Jesus story traces back to a real person or not is pretty much irrelevant. Whatever message he had has been lost, buried under layers and layers of doctrines. If you are interested in the best (optimistic?) attempt to get at the real Jesus, assuming that he actually existed, then turn to the Jesus Seminar. Their study concluded with a new translation called "The Five Gospels" which uses color coding to assess the probability for each Jesus saying. Check out how your favorite sayings rate with professional scholars.

bigbill's picture
to snake in the grass, you

to snake in the grass, you mention the jesus scholars like John crossan, borg and price among a whole lot they are liberal scholars and not conservative. if you get james dunn or hodge or McGrath, or nt wright then you can have dialogue with an open and fair approach to jesus historical studies.Until it is all one sided.Not agood way to go about serious scholarship debate.

Nyarlathotep's picture
Strawman. Chimp said he was a

Strawman. Chimp said he was a myth, he didn't say he didn't exist. Not unlike the characters/stories of Robin Hood and King Arthur; they might have existed as real people, but the stories we have of them are mythology. There is not a single contemporary source for the character Jesus.

chimp3's picture
@simplyagnostic:

@simplyagnostic:

No man was born of a virgin. No woman has conceived as a virgin. So that makes Jesus born of a virgin and his virgin mother myths.
The miracle working Jesus is a myth.
Jesus dying and returning to life on the third day is a myth.
Jesus rising into the clouds and someday returning is a myth.

What historical Jesus do your scholars find real? Some guy named Brian?

bigbill's picture
chimp were you there in the

chimp were you there in the first century, did you know the family? how can you make claims such as these if you weren't there? the original manuscripts we don`t have but we go back to manuscripts that are a lot older then all of literature.So before you throw the baby out with the bath water you should study some more and then comment, simply saying that he was a myth isn`1t saying very much.

MCDennis's picture
Simple, you wrote: Were You

Simple, you wrote: Were You There. Let's agree that we both were not there 2000+ year ago. So neither of us can make claims about what did or did not happen, right? Except that is exactly what christians do.... They claim the know what happened. They don't, you don't and I don't. Christians believe without proof and without any good evidence. How. Based on faith. You can believe anything on faith. Ask the 9/11 hijackers, ask a suicide bomber, ask any religious nutbag... ask yourself.

watchman's picture
"@simple"

"@simple"

"the original manuscripts we don`t have but we go back to manuscripts that are a lot older then all of literature."

"manuscripts that are a lot older then all of literature"

No...no you don't......that is an untruth.......one might even say "post truth"...or possibly an "alternative fact".....although in normal

English usage there is a much simpler description of such misinformation..........

its called a lie......

Why are you lying to us ??

algebe's picture
"we go back to manuscripts

"we go back to manuscripts that are a lot older then all of literature."

What? There are Christian manuscripts older than the Iliad, the Odyssey, the Aeneid, the Bhagavad Gita, China's Classic of Poetry?

Amazing.

chimp3's picture
@simplyagnostic:

@simplyagnostic:

1 : People tell lies . Scientifically proven.
2: People do not rise from the dead. Fact.
3. Unfortunately water does not magically turn into wine. We now know that requires grapes and yeast and time.
4: The writers of the first century were also capable of being liars. None of the above were possible in the first century. Therefore , the writers of the bible were liars.

CyberLN's picture
#3...grapes, yeast, and time.

#3...grapes, yeast, and time...and there's SO much to be said for a gorgeous cab reserve!

algebe's picture
"SO much to be said for a

"SO much to be said for a gorgeous cab reserve!"

Or a nice dry Riesling chilled on a hot summer evening with some grilled salmon. A drink fit for Jehovah. I hope I don't get stoned. Or maybe I do.

CyberLN's picture
I prefer a Pinot Gris (heavy

I prefer a Pinot Gris (heavy grapefruit tones) for a gorgeous summer wine. Having a glass of a lovely buttery chard right now. Ah...wine...

chimp3's picture
I love the way a cabernet

I love the way a cabernet will present with a butteriness , then grape, berry, oak,and walnut all in one sip or two. Cabernet is very entertaining.

CyberLN's picture
A dear friend is a vintner.

A dear friend is a vintner. His Pinot Gris is lovely, his cab reserve is ab fab, but his port, oh my...to die for. I love filling my cellar with interesting stuff and then breaking it out for gatherings of family and friends. If you're ever in the area, I'll open a few interesting ones for us to enjoy. :-)

chimp3's picture
Thank you. What general

Thank you. What general region do you live in?

CyberLN's picture
NW of the U.S.

NW of the U.S.

William G Peter's picture
What all you described were

What all you described were TRUE, I'm a witness just not a believer mind that please. Virgin birth was True as the same could happen even now by the HOLY SPIRIT who could ENTER into any human body & turn it to be an Immortal which you can test & verify as per Revelation 11 as I'm an Immortal scheduled to Prove if you want you can stick to v5 & prepare to test & verify.

Simply spourting myths is never work in the age of Internet. Please understand.

mykcob4's picture
@simply agnostic

@simply agnostic
You said "Jesus was a real historical figure, Scholars the best in the world concur that Jesus once live don the Earth in the middle east,"

Fucking PROVE it! Cite these so-called scholars!

Dave Matson's picture
mykcob4:

mykcob4:

My take is that the majority of serious scholars go with a real "Jesus" minus the magic, the God stuff, and any hard, historical certification. That is, the existence of such a person at the core of the myth seems to be reasonable but not totally certain. The joke is that his message and image in the Gospels are a product of layers and layers of doctrine. The real Jesus (if there was one) seems to be lost to history.

Some years ago a large group of serious, but optimistic, scholars got together and formed the "Jesus Seminar." The idea, not shared by all scholars, was that some portion of Jesus might be recovered by analyzing the Gospels and any other historical information (such as customs, language use, etc.) that might have a bearing on the subject. The conclusion of the Jesus Seminar, the best case that any Christian is ever going to get, was in the form of a new translation of the four Gospels and the Gospel of Thomas. On each Jesus saying they took a vote, and that determined whether the passage was colored red (the type of thing Jesus would probably say), pink, gray, or black (very unlikely). This is a good source for atheists to have since detailed (and readable) explanations are given for the color assigned. Thus, you have the very best stuff at hand for rejecting many of the Jesus sayings.

The translation is "The Five Gospels."

ProgrammingGodJordan's picture
@Peter

@Peter

As you are human, and not-omniscient of any event (ie you can't detect absolutes) as far as science goes, you don't know whether or not absolutes are possible.

So, the claim "I witness the existence of God to be absolute" is silly, as humans can't detect absolutes. (see uncertainty principle)

So, your comment now becomes:

"I witness the existence of God to be probable"

Nyarlathotep's picture
ProgrammingGodJordan - So,

ProgrammingGodJordan - So, the claim "I witness the existence of God to be absolute" is silly, as humans can't detect absolutes. (see uncertainty principle)
So, your comment now becomes:

Fake quote is fake, he never made that comment.

watchman's picture
At the risk of repeating

At the risk of repeating myself......

@Peter.....

2 questions...if you would be so kind....

1/ Which bible are you using ?

2/ You mentioned a supposed person called Abraham.....I wonder could you tell me where this character came from..?

ImFree's picture
Judeo-Christianity actually

Judeo-Christianity actually comes from early Iran's Zoroastrianism. Richard Carrier's video: Christianity Debunked Using Science and History does a pretty good job explaining it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk5OXnQRr6M

ThePragmatic's picture
@ peter

@ peter

Again...
What did you witness? When and where? Describe how?

Could you tell us what "a witness of Christ" means?

William G Peter's picture
That's good, God is Spirit

That's good, God is Spirit who exist as the HOLY SPIRIT and could ENTER into the physical body and make it an Immortal as the temple of GOD that has been happened to me that's a great evidence you or anybody can test & verify. I have witnessed everything about CHRIST written in the Bible, even saw the glory of God once Moses seen.

Apostles were with CHRIST and witnesses 2000 years before and in them was the HOLY SPIRIT indwelt and the same HOLY SPIRIT when ENTER into the physical body in these days then it's possible to claim before 2000 yrs, I exist as CHRIST claimed before Abraham was, I'm in John 8:58. That's what a Witness of Christ means in these days who are exist so as to bring this world to an end as described in the Bible. Right?

chimp3's picture
Peter: I do not find your

Peter: I do not find your witnessing valid. I do not believe you are immortal. I have read your bible and do not find it convincing.

William G Peter's picture
You might read the Bible but

You might read the Bible but you haven't understand it. The purpose of the Bible is to TURN mortal man into an Immortal, simple as that yet great than anything in this universe.

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