Has nature ever created a code?

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Sheldon's picture
Nope, the semantics of

Nope, the semantics of changing your lie from luck to chance won't make it any less of a lie.

You still haven't said why your fictitious bungling inept deity created a creature camouflaged to avoid the predators it supposedly created to eat it alive?

The only amazing this I can see is that you are still wasting the time and energy to troll here, people are laughing at you, not with you.

tbowen's picture
No man, I’m not disputing

No man, I’m not disputing that the creature exists, that’s your straw man shining thru.
Nice try
No need for my punctuation effort to be perfect when responding to your invective , that’s for sure

As far as being identical, that word suits just fine when you compare say a moth to an owls face, it’s uncanny the resemblance!

And you think it happened by chance?? I got a bridge to sell you, it comes down to your dishonesty touting the odds as normal

Sheldon's picture
same empty rhetoric you've

Same empty rhetoric you've been espousing from the first, but you still can't demonstrate any objective evidence for your vapid creationist myth, or your magic sky fairy? Explain to us how magic apples work please? Explain hos a snake can talk? Explain how, and why, your fictional deity created a creature to look like a leaf, to avoid being eaten alive by predators you believe he created with the express purpose of eating it alive?

"you think it happened by chance"

No, as you have been told, you;re simply repeating your vapid lie to obfuscate.

"I got a bridge to sell you, it comes down to your dishonesty touting the odds as normal"

All you are selling is a puerile vapid superstition, and no one is buying, hence your histrionics in this thread afetr your verbiage was rejected. As for dishonesty that's ironic since it's another lie from you, as you were the one who implied the odds for a process you know nothing about were improbable, but when I asked you what the dds were, and how you calculated them you could demonstrate no facts or evidence to support your asinine empty made up claim, hardly a surprise as that seems to be your raison d'etre.

Species evolution remains a scientific fact, supported by all the scientific evidence, I need make no claims on it's behalf, and you're the one denying a scientific fact here, nit me, so spare us your lies about others being dishonest in the midst of your relentless rank dishonesty..

TheBlindWatchmaker's picture
Well at least we can all see

Well at least we can all see the gargantuan fallacy on display and move on.

This is simply an argument from your own personal incredulity.

tbowen's picture
No so fast you gullible

No so fast you gullible believers....
How many lucky mutations did it take for those owl eyes to appear? Was there a mutation for the left eye, one for the right eye? Was it luck that both eyes were the same size? How about the irises matching like a perfect pair?
How bout a mutation for the pupils to both be the same color? Amazing how the circumference border is continuous and all black , a mutation for that too?

No embarrassment on your part for believing luck did this?

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ JNV3

@ JNV3

Ok I am convinced by your reasoned, logical argument and the evidence you have displayed...now; which godidit? And When?

Sheldon's picture
Evolution does not involve

Evolution does not involve luck no matter how often you repeat this lie. It also remain an established and accepted scientist fact. I think the hilarity of you talking about embarrassment here is palpable, but again if you wish to delude yourself crack on.

Link to the Natural History Museum website,, it would be a good place to start, but of course you're not interested in the facts.

http://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/spotlight-owl-butterfly.html

arakish's picture
jnv3: "Was it luck that both

jnv3: "Was it luck that both eyes were the same size? How about the irises matching like a perfect pair?"

And I guarantee if you measured those spots, they would be of different sizes.

rmfr

TheBlindWatchmaker's picture
"Under the cover of religion,

"Under the cover of religion, there is no stupidity that can't be advocated". - Christopher Hitchens

arakish's picture
If one person suffers from

If one person suffers from delusions, they call it insanity.
If a group suffers from delusions, they call it religion.

Something I read somewhere and forget where I read it and who said it. However, jnv3 fits both. Truly sad.

rmfr

tbowen's picture
When you have no answers or

When you have no answers or explanations but just sheer gullibility, the insults fly

Shows how weak and gullible you are, like a child who can be bribed w candy

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ JNV3

@ JNV3
Aren't you going to answer me, your new convert?

Sheldon's picture
You're the one denying a

You're the one denying a scientific fact, lying about what others have posted, and using ad hominem, as you have done here again. The posts you are responding to were not ad hominem, they were quotes of generic derogation about superstitions, and the behaviours of those who hold them in relentlessly trying to justify ignorance and stupidity, as you have done throughout this thread. It's a comment on content. Unlike this:

J N Vanderbilt III "Shows how weak and gullible you are,"

Which is pure ad hominem.

Another irony overload from you. As for gullibility, it's you who believes in magic apples and talking snakes, and magic from an unevidenced deity. Indeed it is you who is cherry picking a scientific facts you won't accept because it refutes the vapid creation myth in the bible. It's risible for anyone who believes that the puerile nonsense of creationism is true, to decry those who accept scientific facts as gullible.

Another belly laugh you've provided, so thanks.

arakish's picture
Not insults. True Truth.

Not insults. True Truth. Something which you lack all integrity to speak.

rmfr

TheBlindWatchmaker's picture
It's been explained to you,

It's been explained to you, the lack of integrity, intellect and critical thinking you have responded with though demonstrates either your inability to comprehend or a deliberate unwillingness to be intellectually honest.

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ TBW

@ TBW

1000 agrees for you sir....

tbowen's picture
Hey anyone got a mutation for

Hey anyone got a mutation for ????
Let me think of something wild and crazy, and it will happen, if you can be this gullible, anything is possible , after all the insect needed a fake fungus spot and he got it!
Fraudulent academics at play LOL

Sheldon's picture
J N Vanderbilt III

J N Vanderbilt III
"Hey anyone got a mutation for ????Let me think of something wild and crazy,"

Talking snakes, magic apples, using magic to conjure living humans out of clay in an instant, virgin births, resurrections, take your pick...your religions is the definitive collection of wild crazy claims.

Hence the irony of anyone gullible enough to believe that vapid nonsense decrying a scientific fact like evolution. Fair play to you, another belly laugh...you don't disappoint.

tbowen's picture
Blind watch, i’m calling

Blind watch, i’m calling your intellectual integrity 3into serious question given how gullible you are

Sheldon's picture
It's not gullible too accept

It's not gullible too accept scientific facts that are supported by all the evidence. It is gullible to deny them because they contradict your valid superstitious religious beliefs.

TheBlindWatchmaker's picture
3into

3into

i’m calling your intellectual integrity 3into serious question

Ok.

tbowen's picture
No wondering how many

No wondering how many coordinated mutations it took to complete the owls face on the wings of a moth?
Your defense of the luck involved is preposterous

Sheldon's picture
Evolution does involve luck,

Evolution does involve luck, the mutations are simply random, and natural selection is not, it is relentless. Luck is just your idiotic lie you keep repeating. As always no one is fooled. As for preposterous your vapid creationist myth is the very definition of preposterous, as is your denial of an objective scientific fact.

TheBlindWatchmaker's picture
And can you address were

And can you address were specifically I've remarked on the probabilities of anything at all?

No, I haven't.

We have been discussing with you the how to understand that it is not only perfectly plausible,
But also fully understood, documented, evidenced and passed peer review.

Now let us put your creationist beliefs under the same stringent testing, does any of it pass scientific understanding? no.
Are any of the claims evidenced to the point of passing peer review? no.

You should really look into your own belief structure, because you are being duped.

arakish's picture
Ain't nothing worse than

Ain't nothing worse than having to put up with a 13 year old liar of an adult liar.

rmfr

tbowen's picture
So “perfectly plausible”???

So “perfectly plausible”???
And possibly TOTALLY BOGUS too.
This is what you’re pinning your hopes on. Still wondering how many coordinated mutations for the decorative eye complex situated on different wings, care to take a guess?

The pot plant poster is annoying but ignored

arakish's picture
Shows how much you know

Shows how much you know little child.

It is NOT a pot plant. It is a Bonsai of a Japanese Maple Tree.

And if you find me annoying, you are not ignoring me.

It is so sad seeing such a young child growing up without a proper education...

rmfr

EDIT: fixed misspelling

Sheldon's picture
It's not "possibly bogus" the

It's not "possibly bogus" the weight of evidence makes it an established scientific fact, it is evidenced from multiple fields of study.

Tell us are you are YEC? Do you also dispute the established fact that the earth is billions of years old, and the universe even older? Do you share the YEC's asinine view that everything is a few thousand years old?

TheBlindWatchmaker's picture
Not at all, it is so heavily

Not at all, it is so heavily evidenced that it is beyond reasonable doubt.

Can you show one proven example of the super natural causing anything?

tbowen's picture
Still wondering how many

Still wondering how many coordinated mutations for the decorative eye complex situated on different Wings, replete w uncanny detail?

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