Has nature ever created a code?
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Idiot child. Codes are man made by definition. It is on this thread at least three times Man Made. Stop lying.
Yes bees waggle, dogs hold their tails in different ways, have extensive body language...and here is the thing..NEITHER are fucking CODES. Animals have "language" to them it is not a code as in the definition of a fucking code. Can you not fucking read?
Read this slowly : CODE: a system of words, letters, figures, or symbols used to represent others, especially for the purposes of secrecy.
No other living thing except MAN codes you twat.
You have been debunked, de-pantsed and spanked and still you persist in lying to yourself and this forum.
All codes are man made. Man is intelligent enough to make codes. That is all.
Which is exactly what I wrote, exactly what the first link I sent you said, obviously you don't want replies or you comprehension difficulties are stopping you reading a whole fucking paragraph.
The rest of the bunkum, lies and wishful thinking you introduced is just that. Lies, Lies and wishful thinking.
Produce one bit of evidence for your "higher being/god/creator" that produces codes. You made the claim, now front up.
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Wed, 12/26/2018 - 11:51
J N Vanderbilt III "Sequences ARE codes."
So to be clear, do you know accept your claim was, and is, wrong? Or are you saying the alphabet is a code? Is 1,2,3 a code? It's a sequence after all...
J N Vanderbilt III "Nope"
So you were wrong to claim "sequences ARE codes" then? Just show some integrity and admit it, watching you squirm like this is cringeworthy, even for your posts.
"However the alphabet does not and even some sites said it’s order is for no particular reason"
So you're actually trying to claim the alphabet is not a sequence? You even seem to be implying it's order is random? Humans created the sequence of alphabets in a particular order, and it is quite obviously not a code.
[plagiarized copyrighted material removed, read it here - Nyarlathotep]
Your comprehension difficulties are showing once again. Fucks sake, who the hell were your teachers? Did you graduate?
Did they not teach you to credit the writer?
This piece of of inaccurate trash is posted (or stolen from someone else) on a debate site. The poster "Dadman" is an avowed evangelist christian. And you post it here to bolster your lame argument? Without even a credit?
That one sentence is pure bollocks. Read the definition of a code. Dadman is as silly as you are.
Seriously. fuck of back to sandpit with the other children who cannot read and understand, you don't belong with the adults.
As Arakish says, "you can't help but keep on lying".
I said from the start he is plagiarising vapid creationist arguments he doesn't even understand. He's almost certainly a teenage boy.
DNA by definition isn't a code.
1. a system of words, letters, figures, or symbols used to represent others, especially for the purposes of secrecy.
There is no evidence for design in nature, only creatards cling to this archaic fantasy.
Thanks for that, it was a fascinating read.
Well that website smells kind a crackpotty, but I didn't look very closely; but it does seem to be the originator of what was posted here without attribution.
It was the use of the word isomorphic that tipped me off.
Aww... The poor baby can no longer come up with his own arguments and has to plagiarize just like his holy book is plagiarized.
I don't believe he has posted a single argument of his own. Just a teenage boy using other people's arguments he doesn't fully understand would have been my best guess from the very start.
Yeah. Little babies read someone else's article in class (when they should be listening to the instructor) and thinks they have the "end all arguments" argument only find they are incorrect and get totally demolished by persons who possess infinitely more knowledge than them. Or at least more common sense learned from just living.
Hell, in my case (and probably many others here), I have forgotten more knowledge than jnv3 could ever hope of learning. Like me, kids today need a new class added into their curriculum: Self Discipline. Then again, not all kids are going to be like me and be born with a brain and mind that thinks like a computer: "If it ain't logical or rational, it does not compute." Thus, even as a small child, my mind was trying to consume as much information as it could. Thus, I was kind of self-disciplined in seeking for knowledge instead of being a juvenile hooligan like jnv3 who thinks they know everything.
Then again, that is why I had it so hard growing up until I got into Junior High (7th & 8th Grades) and High School (9th - 12th Grades) and try out for and play school team sports. If it weren't for being very good in some sports (mainly Baseball and Tennis and Track & Field) I hate to think of the kind of person I would have grown up to be. Probably would have been an old curmudgeon long before I even got old and still quite young.
I've ranted enough.
Why don't you wait until you have grown up for about ten more years before you try making a fool of yourself?
EDIT: inserted omitted words and fixed typos
@ J N Vanderbilt III
Here is a list of how one can spot a Religious Absolutist and they only need match just ONE:
How many have you matched so far?
I apply xenoview's razor to your claims of a higher intelligent encoding DNA.
@ J N Vanderbilt III
And if you have forgotten xenoview's Razor, here are all nine of them to refresh your memory:
The Nine Razors:
Oh the hornets nest is stirred up, and I put that text in quotes and you still removed it lol
It’s all true how dna fits Shannon’s model and you freaked out, priceless!!!
It shows DNA is in fact a coding system, one that blows atheists away into a panic as evidenced here.
Remember folks, coding is only produced by intelligence even if you don’t know what the intelligence is HNY!
J N Vanderbilt III: "Oh the hornets nest is stirred up, and I put that text in quotes and you still removed it lol"
That is because you plagiarized it without also attributing where you stole it from.
@ J N Vanderbilt III
No one freaked out FREAK (Foolishly Ridiculous and Exuberantly Asinine Kook). You plagiarized copyrighted material without attributing from where you stole it you thief and liar. This opens any web site for a lawsuit of copyright infringement under the DCMA. Look it up. Of course, there is Fair Use, but you never gave the Fair Use Notification as required by the DCMA.
Remember the list on how to spot people like you?
How many have you matched? All of them.
It does no such thing. Like you, the author fails to Think Critically. Any thing that can be viewed as a code shall be viewed as such by us humans. Why? Because it gives us a framework to better understand something. DNA is NOT a code. DNA is a set of instructions. NOT code. Since you still do not know, understand, comprehend the definition of the three main words, let's examine the definitions for: sequence, code, instructions.
And this is the only thing you have ever gotten correct. Codes are designed and written by intelligence. Unfortunately, ALL codes are designed and written by the primitive and barbaric primate minds of us Homo sapiens.
Provide OBJECTIVE HARD EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE, else you are just spewing the bullshit of presupposed assumptions of all those web pages your are reading since you have no knowledge of your own. Quit skipping classes. Actually learn something instead of reading pseudoscience bullshit.
Onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit non ei qui negat.
Otherwise, The Nine Razors:
DNA is not a code, and despite your claim that "sequences ARE codes" they're not. Priceless, you started by plagiarising vapid creationist arguments, and now you're still doing it, and trying to bluff when you're found out.
"coding is only produced by intelligence"
Human intelligence only, until someone evidences otherwise.
Now remind us, you think the alphabet is a code right? Or are you denying it is a sequence? So every single word is a c ode according to you then, as they all have a specific sequence of letters? You really do get funnier and funnier, even for a creatard.
Did any hornets read that last post? I certainly didn’t, heh heh
Nope, codes are created by intelligence period! Who are you to be the arbiter what qualifies as intelligence?
It’s called the genetic code for a reason and the passage that I PLAGERIZED spells it out quite succinctly, maybe reread it, you might absorb it, evotard
Right, but citing (or in your case: failing to cite) a crackpot is a terrible strategy to try to convince a skeptic.
@ J N Vanderbilt III
No one has argued against this claim. When it comes to arbitration of what qualifies as intelligence, you definitely DO NOT. All you have done is proven you ain't got any intelligence except enough to form words and type.
It is only called a genetic code because us humans have applied a code to the sequence of the DNA molecule to provide a framework for better understanding it. You do not even have enough intelligence to understand the meanings of the words code, sequence, and instructions.
Stay in school. Quit skipping classes to smoke that weed.
P.S. — You may choose to ignore me, but like you, I ain't going away.
We only have evidence for codes created by human intelligence, nothing else. Repeating your claim just reinforces this point.
DNA still is not a code according to science, I don't care what delusional creatards think.
Now explain why you claimed sequences ARE codes, when they demonstrably are not? Maybe you should read a dictionary.
I apply xenoview's razor to your claims that intelligents designed DNA, or encoded as you claim.
Is your intelligent a god? If so,then provide objective evidence it is real.
And we are back to obfuscation, changing the goalposts and redefining the terms of your supposition.
We all agree codes are created by intelligence, human intelligence. You have failed to produce any evidence that suggests that a 'code' is anything but a man made construct. The definition of the word has made it obvious it is only man made.
Now you are changing the words, you lying weasel, to "genetic code" since you realised you were utterly wrong in your first attempts using just the words "code" and "sequence". You showed your complete lack of understanding of the argument.
A typical Absolutist ploy is to move the goalposts when they finally read a whole paragraph of an article and realise they have fucked up badly.
You are a liar and a plagiarist. Not a good start, or, I imagine, a good place to be.
You would do better to apologise to the group for repeatedly wasting our time when you are regurgitating unfounded and unproved concepts that you do not even fucking understand let alone read properly.
Now if you are trying to defend this nonsense article you PLAGIARISED and I suspect have barely read, never mind comprehended: write in your OWN WORDS what the reason is for it to be called the "genetic code" and we will start from there.
Can @J N Vanderbilt III prove that DNA was not created by aliens?
Unlikely,as all he has proved so far is that he has great difficulty in reading, understanding, and writing English.
@J N Vanderbilt III still hasn't demonstrated that DNA was actually created.
I'd like him to define what he means by "nature", "created", and "code".
It seems that his definition of code is tautological rather than meaningful. If he is defining code as some sequence created by intelligence, he should not be surprised that there are no codes that are not created by intelligence, nor should he be surprised that anything he calls a code is created by something he calls an intelligence. Ultimately though, he hasn't actually had any meaningful observation or insight about the real world.
Is there anything intelligent that does not shit? I don't know, how is intelligent being defined?
By Christ, you guys have some patience. Thirty four page of this crap just to stroke Van's vanity.
Listen, Van, even if dna was a code it would not necessarily mean a god existed. It could be the result of aliens fucking around with us. Or those annoying purple cosmic space lagamorphs. You seem fixated on what comes first, dna and then the intelligence to identify a code in the sticky goo that makes up life, or the intelligence of a deity who creates the code for sticky goo to produce the intelligent beings to identify the sticky goo that makes up life as a code to be interpreted as evidence of a god.
If your god created a code in dna to prove his existence, then what the fuck is the purpose of the bible, written in clear?!
And Van you have overlooked one important thing...GOD CAN NOT BE PROVEN.
Go. Be the best christian you can and perform the miracles Jesus said you could instead of teasing these poor atheist ruffians delighting in their science and rationality and intelligence. Can't you see they don't care about what you think codes are? They know too much science, its what makes them intransigent atheists.
Go now. Spread your saviour's message and bring real change and happiness to all our lives, just like your god promised you could, if you followed him, and lived like a real christian instead of splitting hairs over little things like A,T,C, and G. Focus on Christ, fix this bleeding world and then come back and show us how we were completely and utterly wrong. Fix the world with your god and we will be forced to accept because....to do anything less would just be a complete waste of fucking time just like the last 34 pages.
And remember what I said, your god cannot be proven, because the guys who made him up, avoided using codes and created him that way.
edited for clarity and charity