Shares some overlap with Spinoza's pantheism
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C19 lock down is kinda boring, but I'm still unlikely to watch a video about theism until someone gives me a reason.
Tom
Yet title of thread alone was enough for you to click
I think I understand well enough now.
Thanks for playing.
Tom
@Tom... let me guess. Click baiter! The admins will take care of this piece of floating digested food - and until they do (cause it’ll come back, the fatty ones always float to the top) we just don’t “click” :)
I'm with Columbus, if you can't demonstrate any objective evidence for a belief then I'm inclined to disbelieve it, and whilst I have nothing against YouTube as a tool, simply opening a thread with a title and and a YouTube link strikes me as pretty lazy. Theists are forever asking the atheists here to do their legwork for them. If the thread author has watched the video and finds it compelling, then he should explain what that is and why he thinks it validates his beliefs, and of course accurately define those beliefs.
Fair enough, though I would argue there's no such thing as objective evidence. Nothing is proven. Many theories (in science and otherwise) we accept as true aren't accepted because they're proven, they're accepted because a better model simply hasn't come along.
@Ajay
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" there's no such thing as objective evidence. Nothing is proven. Many theories (in science and otherwise) we accept as true aren't accepted because they're proven, they're accepted because a better model simply hasn't come along."
ANOTHER scientific illiterate, using stock theist apologist claim , and getting it wrong as is generally the case. Also seems to have no idea of the meaning of the word"atheist" ; a pan --THEIST idea to replace atheism? Face palm.
On this occasion, Mr Google is your friend.
The atheist is simply a person who disbelieves in god(s). Period. Atheism is not a religion, but the antithesis of religion, which is based on faith(belief without evidence) Nor is atheism a political ideology or a club. There are some pretty nifty T shirts around, which (presumably) some individual atheists buy.
THIS ATHEIST: doe snot believe in gods, nature spirits, the soul, an afterlife, heave, hell, angels, demons, the supernatural. the paranormal, psychics , mediums, leprechauns , the banshee, mountain trolls, dragons, witches and fairies at the bottom of my garden. My disbelief in each of those things is for the same reason : Lack of proof.
It would be really peachy if you would take the time to do a bit of Googling, to learn say about the scientific method, which you clearly have not grasped. Now it doesn't matter to me you understand'; I won't be communicating with you again until you show a basic understanding of the concepts you currently misuse.
I only make the above suggestion as a courtesy, so that you might seem less like a fool and gain some credibility. Also in the hope that there might actually be a person with ideas and opinions which might contribute something hiding there.. So far, not so much.
How can you so easily and confidently put all atheists in a single box? A single person's own personal beliefs doesn't speak for all of atheism in its entirety. If so, no atheist would read Spinoza, Hegel, or Emerson. Wouldn't you agree that not all atheists are necessarily materialists?
@Ajay: ATHEISM: speaks for anyone calling them-self an atheist. ATHEIST: THE SET OF ALL PEOPLE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD OR GODS. (That's it. Period. Nothing more. No other beliefs. No dogma. No assertions. Nothing.) Atheism does not make any claims or judgments on anything people do or do not believe beyond the not believing in God or gods.
HOW FUCKING HARD IS THAT TO GRASP???
TROLL!!!
So it's mere opinion that the world is not flat then?
proven
adjective
demonstrated by evidence or argument to be true or existing.
Really? So scientific facts are not demonstrated as true with evidence? I think what we have here is more theistic sophistry and semantics, and a basic misrepresentation of the scientific method. FYI scientific theories ARE the evidence for scientific facts. Only theism claims to possess absolute truth, which is why in the 21st century its adherents cling to errant myths like creationism, but the idea scientific facts don't exist is asinine nonsense.
I am left wondering if Apollo has called in some pals?
Have you read spinoza's arguments?
Would my having or having not read his arguments either way affect what you think? If not, who cares???
Atheism,
The disbelief in a god or gods.
True, but I would argue that not all atheists are materialists/physicalists. I think the disbelief more specifically is of a "god" as some sort of personality figure.
@Ajay: YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN. "Atheism: Disbelief in God or gods." If you believe in any kind of a God / god at all ----- YOU ARE A THEIST, DEIST, SPIRITUALIST, or some other version of a believer..
That's the problem, you're presupposing a definition of God, one that theists have never been able to provide.
@Ajay... I see this is your first post - perhaps put your own thoughts to text so I can “see” your point or question or idea ...
Do you use the screen name "Monism" on other forums, or are there a batch of people out there proselytizing for Q-ism?
Tom
Re: OP
....*biting nails in nervous indecision*.... Oh-dear-oh-dear... What should I do?... Click on the link or not?... Decisions decisions.... *wringing hands together anxiously*... Give in to my naturally tenacious curiosity? Or stand strong and exercise self-discipline and refrain from being drawn into the click-bait pit?.... *hand visibly shaking while tentatively reaching to click on link*... *pleading voice*... Help! Somebody please stop me!....
OM: AW FUCK - Tinny is gonna need a reboot. No matter how many times we tell him to stay away from utter and complete nonsense, he insists on blowing his logic chips by listening to it. I don't remember where the floppy disc for the reboot is at. Do you remember seeing it lying about? And how in the fuck are we gonna get the damn thing to play on a modern computer? Shit!
Hey Tinny - looking forward to your “thoughts” ...those random bits of information that bounce back and forth in that canned head of yours *ping ping ping ping*
See my response to user "doG" above. Precisely why I think Q-ism may be of interest to the subset of atheists who wouldn't also characterize themselves as materialists.
Atheists do not have the need to believe in something that is irrational. If something is demonstrably objectively evidenced to exist in reality, then we believe it. Period. That is what is called basic reason. You should be asking yourself, why you are failing at reason, not why reasonable people don't fail at it like you do.
doG, I think you are getting at the issue of reproducibility. But I would argue there are certain subjective truths that aren't reproducible such as justice, beauty, and independence. Tell me, if you saw a ghost in your home and he pushed you to the floor, would you tell it "hey you don't exist because you haven't been objectively evidenced"
I have never seen any such thing, but your "question" assumes a ghost can be seen, and this is pure woo woo. If you can't evidence a "ghost" in any objective way then why should anyone believe such nonsense?
@Ajay ... I’m assuming your response is to me :)
I read the responses. In your own words, summarize what you believe... then I’d happily go from there. I personally like to see if a person can describe their beliefs before I chime in on “them”.
Whitefire13, actually the original post was meant to be more for informational purposes/interest to generate discussion rather than state personal opinion. Didn't see a separate designated area on the forum to post links and therefore listed here.
This is my point, discussion about what???? If it’s your video, then for fucks sake, just type what the fuck it is you want to discuss. Otherwise shithead, you are click baiting!
Why re-gurgitate the entire informational content in a video when a person can just easily watch for themselves? Not sure I read anything in the terms and conditions about specifically outlining in detail anything you provide a link for. BTW, shouldn't you be flagged for unprovoked offensive/abusive language?
@Ajay Re: To Whitefire - "BTW, shouldn't you be flagged for unprovoked offensive/abusive language?"
What the fuck?!? Is Whitefire shitting out of her potty mouth again? Goddammit!... *shaking head in disappointment*... Stand by, dude. I've got this...
Hey, White! Bitch, how many damn times do we have to tell you not to fucking use foul language around the new pansy-ass members? Son-of-a-bitch! Can't you get anything through that thick-ass puppy head of yours? Mind your fucking manners already!
Okay, Ajay. That should keep her straight for a few minutes. You just let me know, though, if she starts with that shit again. I'll have Cog smack that stubborn ass of hers.
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