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Pride gave us art archetecture crafts science etc etc so which spcific wars are you claiming pride caused. Number of people saved by pride are uncountable pride let us wipe out diseases, which you claim were made by god. Pride gave us sports aswell. Finally there is pride in a job well done and as you ignored it pride got humans on the moon and gave us some amazing photos google earthrise its breathtaking and the result of pride.
Religion made it a sin because its unaviodable its what makes us human so makes believers feel guilt and keeps them going to church and donating.
Pride gave us none of those things, someone thinking about them and putting it on paper and getting them started. And others joined in. None of them had to have pride in order to accomplish them. But because of them many have became prideful. But they chose to be prideful, they didn't have to be. Many war's have started because one nation believed they had the right to rule over another nation. They took over other nations that never bothered them. Roman's for one. Until pride destroyed them from within!
Bullshit you clearly dont understand the concept of pride.....or simply cannot accept the book youve worshiped all your life can be wrong.
You've not showed one thing wrong in the KJB.
Were is all the wrong things in the KING JAMES BIBLE Lmale? I keep hearing from you about all the wrongs but with nothing to show proof. Just like you can't show ANY proof that evolution is true. As a matter of fact I keep reading posts from many of you that you don't know how the big bang happened, or no idea how life started. You keep saying you don't know and that means you don't know, but yet you keep saying you know. Go figure.
Yet I have God's word that tells us how He created and brought forth life. And though through most of my life were I didn't want anything to do with Him and His word, He still loved me enough to show me the truth that I was able to get saved and set free from bondage by unmerrited grace.
Romans 5:8 KJV
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Chuck Rogers - Just like you can't show ANY proof that evolution is true....that you don't know how...life started.
This is because biological evolution has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with how life came into existance.
In the same way, the big bang theory has nothing to do with how the universe came into existance.
Both of the above theories are for dealing with systems (one the universe, the other life) after they are already in existence. There are theories for dealing with the creation of these systems, however they do not have the mountains of evidence supporting them that biological evolution and the big bang have. This is why you don't see us discussing those theories, because they don't have the solid footing of biological evolution or the big bang theory.
Yeah you stopped talking about the things you have nothing to back up your claims. But without being able to show how these things came to be, you are just guessing. Were are the solid proofs of the big bang? You don't even know what a star looks like outside of them giving off light. Maybe that's all they are is light, how can you prove otherwise? Because they are different colors? Not. And proof of biological evolution, how because of slight changes within kinds. Someone brought up in another post about mules and some cats of different types but yet still cat's. This is simple, that is the end of the line, they simply cannot reproduce beyond that point.
It takes the same kind to reproduce. A cat will always produce a cat, a dog a dog, a mouse a mouse.
Did you know that if any creature was to change more than one percent of it's chromosomes it can't survive?
Did you know that there is not one good mutation that can be shown of any animal. They are all deformities that do harm to the creature, and not good. How about showing me one that is not made up that is good huh, just one.
If evolution were true not just what you claim as proof of simple changes within kinds would be evidence but once something started the process of this so called evolution process, it would continue in all levels of every creature all the way through time. It wouldn't be one change from a lizard to a bird and then stop until it decided to start again. Same with apes to people or anything else. There would be different stages all the time.
But as you can see there is none.
How long did it take nature to create the eye, and then decide to put it on all creatures except a few, like the mole? There are other mammals that dig under the ground why do they have eyes. I want to know when is nature going to give the mole it's eyes?
How did nature figure out how to make male and female when the so called first bacteria, or whatever stage it was that there had to be a male and female in order to produce? Wouldn't it be better if everything could reproduce on its own? That would take away all rape wouldn't it. But how did it come to be male and female?
How many more questions are you going to say we don't know but we believe.
With God it all makes sense!!!!
“[Where] are the solid proofs of the big bang?”
SCIENCE FAIL. Science is not in the business of proving things.
“You don't even know what a star looks like outside of them giving off light. Maybe that's all they are is light, how can you prove otherwise? Because they are different colors?”
SCIENCE FAIL. You can tell what an object is made of by its spectral lines, not “because they are different colors”. That is a cartoon version of the science so of course it makes no sense to you. This is taught in high-school chemistry. Go learn something.
“And proof of biological evolution”
SCIENCE FAIL. Science is not in the business of proving things.
“Did you know that if any creature was to change more than one percent of it's chromosomes it can't survive?”
SCIENCE FAIL. Evolution does not claim that a creatures DNA changed by 1%.
“It wouldn't be one change from a lizard to a bird”.
SCIENCE FAIL. The theory of evolution does not state that a lizard turned into a bird.
“How long did it take nature to create the eye, and then decide to put it on all creatures except a few, like the mole?”
SCIENCE FAIL. Moles have eyes.
“I want to know when is nature going to give the mole it's eyes?”
SCIENCE FAIL. Moles have eyes.
Please provide a comprehensive list of these 'kinds' to which you refer.
I havent read the kjv ive read real bibles i wont read your edited version.
ive shown you proof for evolution using a friggin christian website you simply refuse too use any link i post.
no one knows how life started evolution has nothing to fucking do with that moron. no one knows what happened before the big bang the big bang has nothing to do with that either. you just say gawd did it as much as you want one day science will prove how life started and prove how the bbt started, science has a history of disproving shit you theists believed.
You just keep moving the goal posts, a favorite tactic for theists is the missing link tactic, when its found you just say ah but what about the link between them 42 'missing links' in human evolution have been found you just keep saying ah but wheres this missing link.
we proved the world wasnt flat but your book says it is.
we proved the sun orbited the earth but your book said it orbits us.
Gods an asshole i warned you to stop quoting my turn:
God kills 70000 people:
Yahweh spoke to Gad, David's seer, saying, Go and speak to David, saying, Thus says Yahweh, I offer you three things: choose you one of them, that I may do it to you. So Gad came to David, and said to him, Thus says Yahweh, Take which you will: either three years of famine; or three months to be consumed before your foes, while the sword of your enemies overtakes you; or else three days the sword of Yahweh, even pestilence in the land, and the angel of Yahweh destroying throughout all the borders of Israel. Now therefore consider what answer I shall return to him who sent me. David said to Gad, I am in a great strait: let me fall, I pray, into the hand of Yahweh; for very great are his mercies: and let me not fall into the hand of man. So Yahweh sent a pestilence on Israel; and there fell of Israel seventy thousand men. (1 Chronicles 21:9-14 WEB)
oops made a typo the earth orbits the sun
Oh Lmale, Lmale, Lmale, first that's not the KJB, also you didn't show me anything wrong, you just showed some scripture. Or so called scripture. Now why don't you tell me what and why it's wrong. Do you even know what that writing is about?
Oh and no we didn't steal the old testament from the Jews. God sent the Jews that believed in Jesus to the gentiles with the truth of the Old and New testaments.
Hey I wonder, if the Bible prophets thought the world was flat, why was it that when ever someone spoke about God forgetting our sins, why did they always say He forgets them as far as the east is from the west? You see if they figured the world was flat it wouldn't matter if they said north from south. But they new that if you travel either north or south, you will eventually get to the opposite, south or north. But they always said east from west, because they knew that if you head east you will never find west. Isn't that awesome Lmale, you can have your sins forgiven also. And God will forget them as the east is from the west. Wouldn't that be great?
No comment Lmale?
Lmale still waiting to hear your understanding of the scripture you referenced. Still waiting. Still waiting.
Enough of the kjv is perfect bullshit you know aswell as everyone here that it was written under ORDERS from the king that the translation fit to his and his churches BELIEF its not a literal translation its EDITED.
Ive proved noah was a story stolen many times the original is 10000 years old. Even the line the animals went in two by two was stolen. The christians stole it from the jews and they stole it from anchient babylon 4000 years ago and they stole it too the original is from 10000 years ago and it was by the Sumerians.
ive proved theres zero thats ZERO evidence exodus ever happened and i proved that with a christian website. Oh and btw the pharoah 'dreamed about corn' but he couldnt have known what the fuck corn was. That was a miss translation of the word by the translators when they wrote it they knew of corn but see corn was invented in 15th century.
ive proved with another christian website evolution is a fact it happens the theory of evolution explains how.
You just have your head buried in the sand your lifelong belief has made you deaf dumb and blind to anything not in your precious book.
So in short you can't tell us how to separate what you tell us from what the Muslims/others tell us.
Jeremiah 29:13 KJV
And ye shall seek me, and find me , when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
You dont want to keep quoting your sick book i know the darkness it contains and will start quoting the many parts you try to hide from.
lmale your falling in the troll-y spam hole with with Chuck Rodgers and Tsun tsu Chuckkeeps spamming the board with his biblical verse and Tsun Tsu is a just a troll, watch out boefore they take any more time form your precious life.
Why is it that when we show what we believe we are trolling, but when you show what you believe it's not. Doesn't make much sense. Isn't this supposed to be a debate sight? If someone can't handle a debate why debate? When someone makes an accusation, or statement, isn't it within the rules of debate to prove the accuser wrong or push them to prove their point?
He is trolling your just spamming with some of the oldest spam known to man: Biblical versus. Both actions are against the board rules and are grounds to be kicked off neither one of you have really debated anything. I am hoping in another topic you will transcend this state and I have given you one last chance to debate. If I were you though, I would not get behind Tsun Tsu, he's a troll, and your much better off looking like an accidental spammer than a troll in any form thus why he has been booted and you have not.
I would appreciate if you could show me were I am spamming.
Chuck, first of all he did not say you were spamming, he said Tsun Tsu was a troll and you are "looking like an accidental spammer".
Though I would say that you are indeed a spammer, but your comments are so stupid that sometime we pity you and think that you are not doing in on purpose but just that you head reasons that way.
Zap jumped in when you said such stupidity in trying to defend a troll and a dishonest person which was booted for his actions.
"Why is it that when we show what we believe we are trolling"
You did not even read what Tsun Tsu was talking about, and jumped in his defense without quoting what are you actually defending or arguing about.
To top it off you made an extraordinary claim without supporting it.
You are claiming that we(all) call you trolls just because theists say that they believe.
Which has nothing to do with the argument at hand, Tsun Tsu was pointing to, or trolling and lying about something else which he did not even support.
So you are a spammer and an idiot in my eyes for those reasons:
You do not read the posts
You do not support your extraordinary claims.
You are too biased to even stay on any topic.
Why did you join a debate forum if you do not have a concept what what the debate requirements are?
My opinion is that you just like to spam and say what you think in the forum with no real intention of supporting your claims with reason.
Sorry Jeff but I wasn't backing Tsun. I was responding to Lmale whom I thought was responding to me. Sometimes the posts don't always show up in the order you want them to.
I try not to make you look to bad as to some of the things I see you post, in which you can't back up your beliefs with info that stands. It's pretty much just claims without anything to back it up.
Like your little molecular stance. Were did your little particles come from. Oh yeah but you're smart though right?
You asked me to show you an example of your spamming ^^^ here it is.
Zaphod tell me how is that spamming? If that's what you call it, then everyone spams.
Just so you don't get confused this is the example:
In an earlier post all you said was the following:
"Jeremiah 29:13 KJV
And ye shall seek me, and find me , when ye shall search for me with all your heart."
This is spam because in no way was any of this an original thought written and composed by you. It offered no argument and in no way contributed to debate. It would be akin to me going to your religions forum and saying "God is dead" Niche and nothing else. Your biblical versus are not welcome here unless brought up in debate form to be discussed objectively.
Ie. In the KJV because it is your favorite, Mark 14;61-62 says Jesus when asked if he was the Christ said "I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven." this is the closest in the bible you find Jesus to saying he is the Christ however in other parts of the bible referring to the same incident the question is a different question: Are you the king of the Jews to which Jesus Responds "Thou sayest it" or in John "Sayeth thou this thing of yourself or did other tell thee of me?" There are actually 4 supposed accounts of the same situation only in Mark are the question and answer put that way and even in that account he calls himself the some of man who will see be beside the power in the kingdom. I would be more than willing to debate this further if you started a new topic on it you know for debate. where you posed the validity of the testament of Mark.
Additionally, you keep quoting scripture as if its proof, Scripture is not proof of god or even Jesus and it this is subject to debate if you want to start a topic discussing the validity of scripture you can do that as well. Scripture can be quoted as proof that someone at least believed something at one point but it does not prove what this person believed. Saying a bunch of other stuff and throwing in a verse at the end is equivalent to spam.
Put simply, spam is unsolicited or undesirable electronic messages, ie. needlessly qouting Bible verse on an atheist forum.
Excuse me Zaphod, that scripture I believe was in response to a question Ellie Harris asked. I gave it in the simplest form because of the question.
It was actually posted in response to:
"So in short you can't tell us how to separate what you tell us from what the Muslims/others tell us."
I fail to see how it is a valid response to the point made by Nyarlathotep.
Additionally, it is not the only time you have posted unsolicited undesirable scripture on the boards. there are many more examples.