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CyberLN's picture
They are doing much better,

They are doing much better, thanks so much for asking, Whitefire. Glad to hear your son is on the mend. The hard part about this illness is that folks, particularly younger, otherwise healthy folks, can get a relatively mild case or have it with no symptoms.

The Xanax salt lick you sent has been, forgive my language, a gawdsend! :p

LogicFTW's picture
@Whitefire and CyberLN

@Whitefire and CyberLN

Yep as you both stated, more likely to be just a normal bug, and not covid-19. Especially if there is no known sustained contact with someone suspected of having covid-19.

My suggestion if anyone finds themselves dwelling on this too much. Distract your self with something else that takes much of your attention. Perhaps a home project you just never quite had the time for. And avoid the news. Maybe even this thread. To me, you can get all the news you actually need, by scanning a local news website for a few minutes, in the morning or afternoon. (I learned the hard way to not read this stuff before trying to go to sleep.)

Cognostic's picture
Whitefire13: Sorry to hear

Whitefire13: Sorry to hear it! Just do everything a good mommy does.
"There's consensus among experts about the lack of evidence: There's no widely accepted data about ibuprofen and COVID-19. However, many credible organizations have advised caution on the matter and often suggest acetaminophen as a possibly preferable treatment."

"Batting down rumors, the World Health Organization says it does not recommend against the use of ibuprofen to treat COVID-19 symptoms — though medical experts say that until more research is conducted it’s better to start with acetominophen for pain and fever reduction."
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/03/20/coronavirus-and-ibuprofen-who-add...

Just some articles I ran across.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/03/18/fact-check-coro...

Whitefire13's picture
@Cog ... thanks for the info.

@Cog ... thanks for the info. Somebody on Facebook just said “don’t use Advil - the dead have Advil in their system”

I didn’t respond. I was like....whatttt?!?!? Idiot. Probably “in there” because they had a fever/sore throat, whatever - you know what I mean.

Anyway, yah. I got ibuprofen and acetaminophen and asa and Vick’s and whiskey and Frozen yogurt/freeZees...oh and of course homemade chicken soup/broth

I pamper the shit out of my boys...and kick their asses. Right now he gets “babied”. He’ll be fine- just one of those “moments”

Cognostic's picture
Well, if you read the

Well, if you read the articles, the facts are not in yet. It could just be that people have it in their systems because it is so common. Still, the WHO has contraindicated it. Why not get the best information you can and respond accordingly.

Whitefire13's picture
You bet, Cog. I saw that the

You bet, Cog. I saw that the facts aren’t in yet ... I gave him Tylenol first but then Advil (later). His fever broke and has stayed away. I’ve checked on him a few times while he’s sleeping.

cranky47's picture
@Thread

@Thread

Meanwhile in OZ.

Today the Prime Minister announced that 'social distancing' means a space of 4 square metres per person.

I tried the 'old' social distancing of a bit over a metre at the supermarket check out yesterday. People complied with my request, keeping their distance from me, but no one else. It was evident by the sniggers and smirks I was being humoured. People can be so fuck witted . Obviously too few Aussies have died.

Australia is about 3 weeks behind the rest of the world in where we seem to be in the progress of the virus.

The countries which are doing well are those which had a disaster plan in place from SARS. They include Taiwan and Singapore.

It was a great day yesterday, so naturally Bondi beach was packed. Unlikely the Darwin awards will kick in---the clip looked as if it was young fuck wits. Even though they may be very ill if they contract the virus, they probably won't die. However, they may infect old farts like me , who may die. . .

Saw this bloke on TV. His advice; Stay the fuck at home! I'm already doing that because it's the way I live normally. . Washing my hands more though.

There have only been two bumper stickers I've ever really wanted;

" I AM A VOLVO AWARE DRIVER " (I once lived in Volvo country)

and "I'D RATHER BE AN OLD FART THAN A YOUNG DICKHEAD" (reverse agism I guess)

Cognostic's picture
This was written for you

@Cranky: This was written for you! Possibly for me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0kVgSPAkcg

cranky47's picture
@Cognostic

@Cognostic

"@Cranky: This was written for you! Possibly for me"

Error ,can't play.

Cognostic's picture
@cranky47: RE: Can't Play

@cranky47: RE: Can't Play - Willy Nelson "Old Age and Treachery"
If you have not heard it, plug that in YouTube. If you have..... well....it's apropos.

ilovechloe's picture
@cranky47

@cranky47

Quote: "I tried the 'old' social distancing of a bit over a metre at the supermarket check out yesterday. People complied with my request, keeping their distance from me, but no one else. It was evident by the sniggers and smirks I was being humoured. People can be so fuck witted . Obviously too few Aussies have died."

Next time just start coughing. You will very quickly have plenty of social distancing between you & them!

Grinseed's picture
@Cranky

@Cranky
Be the aggressive old fart you need to be. Everyone over the age of 60 has earned that right after a life time of being polite and considerate.
Maintain your dignity and demand others maintain their distance, Ignore the ignorant derision of youngsters who think they will live forever.
I am making use of my isolation time binge watching Royal Institute you tubes and memorising the Periodic Table. Life is so exciting.

cranky47's picture
@Grnseen

@Grinseen

"Be the aggressive old fart you need to be. Everyone over the age of 60 has earned that right after a life time of being polite and considerate."

Thanks mate, I intend to. However, best thing I can actually do is stay at home except for food shopping when needed. Still a lot of panic buying here. Lots of empty shelves. . I have not done it and will not. I think I'll take my walking stick next time, to wave in the air and scream "What is WRONG with you people!".

Makes me fucking livid; the pricks who don't comply with the social distancing rules are putting ME at risk---AND I'm in a vulnerable group (over 70 and not in robust health) --I if contract the virus, I could die.

Bond Beach in Sydney was interesting .(now closed) I saw something similar from the US. Young drongos on spring break, spraying testosterone all over the place, and declaring "nothing is going to stop ME from partying!"

IF you scroll down to 'Queen Victoria' there's a photo of Rundle Mall, in the centre of the city of Adelaide for comparison..

https://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/global-outrage-australians-ignor...

cranky47's picture
@logicFTW

@logicFTW

"My suggestion if anyone finds themselves dwelling on this too much-----"

At what point should I consider I'm dwelling too much on a highly contagious pandemic which could kill me? (I'm over70 with an impaired immune system)

Acting on the best medical advice I could find, I've gone into self isolation. I can get my food delivered and left a the door, and won't be doing much driving, so won't need petrol for awhile .( a full tank USUALLY lasts me a month)

Reading the HuffPost US, UK and Australia today, it seems very clear that there are large numbers of dickheads in each country who are not taking this emergency seriously enough. Such people seem to think they're exempt. They may change what a passes for their minds when some one they know is in ICU or dies. **

I think this is one time my OCD might just keep me alive. Not so sure about you.

**One set of figures I read was that 55% of patients in one country were between 18 and 54 and many still need to be in OCU. They may not die, but many will still be very ill.

ilovechloe's picture
@cranky47

@cranky47

Im with you! I am only 59, but I am taking this thing VERY seriously! This is something I do NOT want to get. It may or may not kill me, but some of those who survive have permanent lung damage, even the young.

It is only a matter of time before the hospital system here in Australia is overwhelmed, & doctors have to start making decisions on who gets a respirator & who doesn't. In Italy & Spain they are taking respirators away from the old, & giving to the young to keep them alive, & just giving sedatives to the old so they die without pain.

it is crazy that our government is now desperately trying to buy respirators & other equipment, competing against the rest of the world at highly inflated prices, when they could have been purchasing these 2 months ago BEFORE the panic set in.

It is not the general population who is in panic mode now, it is the governments, realising that they have all acted at least a month too late.

I still have friends who aren't taking this seriously enough, one who is 71 years old with underlying health conditions. He WAS taking it seriously 2 weeks ago, but he is a cult follower of Alan Jones, & ever since Alan Jones irresponsible remarks a no. of days ago, he is now saying we are all worrying too much, & it is just like the flu.

When you see the carnage in Italy & Spain, & the rapid increase in spread, only those in extreme denial think that this is still just like the flu!

I dont see how this can end without a vaccine. Either this virus will go through most of the population causing millions of deaths, or all the worlds economies are going to go bankrupt. The governments cannot afford to keep the social distancing measures in place for a year or more until a vaccine is developed. As soon as social distancing measures are slackened off the virus will return.

cranky47's picture
@ilovechloe

@ilovechloe

Reading opinions from around the world, terms such as 'criminally irresponsible' are being used to describe the US govt response-starting with Donald calling it a hoax, and then 'the Chinese virus'------ that the govt delay is costing lives.

I agree it will probably take a vaccine before we can begin to think about business as usual. Say a vaccine or cure is announced tomorrow, the time line is still months , not weeks as far as I can tell.

In the meantime, the stock market world wide is in free fall as ,millions of people around the world are laid off . Imo it's beginning to look as if we are on the brink of a world wide depression at least as bad as the 1930's ---I don't believe any country has the money or to bail out the economy to the degree needed, OR that money will reach where it's needed most in 'a timely manner'

America has announced a $trillion bail out for the economy ,yet the Senate is quibbling . You'd think for once there would be immediate and complete bipartisan support for any and all emergency measures deemed necessary.

Be hard to imagine a worse president than Trump for such a catastrophe.

Guess I shouldn't get too arrogant ; The Australian government dithered when it should have been acting. As far as I can tell, OZ is about 3 weeks behind the rest of the world in the progress of the virus.

----Most recent things they've done; ALL international travel, in and out of Oz is banned. State borders are closed. Major public beaches are closed. Football season has been cancelled, and it looks as if the Olympic Games will be cancelled. All pubs, clubs, coffee shops, and restaurants are closed. I really don't know how many people in Australia have been laid off.

Just a taste of things to come: no international travel, no back packers which means a shortage of fruit and vegetable pickers, which will probably mean shortages in the shops.

-------today, there's a dickhead here saying he attended bible study.

ilovechloe's picture
@Cranky47

@Cranky47

"America has announced a $trillion bail out for the economy ,yet the Senate is quibbling "

It depends where & to who the money is going to go to. Companies such as Tesla are asking for billions to keep their companies operating. These are billionaires who dont want to throw in any of their own money to keep these companies afloat. They want the taxpayer to fund their companies.

Whenever there are catastrophies like this, the rich always get bailed out by govt, & its the poor working class taxpayer that gets shafted!

cranky47's picture
@ilovechloe

@ilovechloe

"It depends where & to who the money is going to go to"

I understand and that's fine, as long as it doesn't delay money getting where it's needed. I repeat, imo the Senate should not be quibbling.

"Whenever there are catastrophies like this, the rich always get bailed out by govt, & its the poor working class taxpayer that gets shafted!"

Too soon to make that claim for Oz, but I suspect you're probably right to a large degree. .

ilovechloe's picture
@cranky

@cranky
"I understand and that's fine, as long as it doesn't delay money getting where it's needed. I repeat, imo the Senate should not be quibbling."

If the senate just rubber stamps the package, without fully analysing where the money is going to, how do we know the money is going to where it is needed? The senate needs to do its job, not just be a rubber stamp to the govt.

Rohan M.'s picture
I think that COVID-19

I think that COVID-19 originated from pangolins, as scientists have found that it shares 80% of its genome sequence with the pangolin coronavirus that has been around for quite a bit longer than the novel human one.

cranky47's picture
@Thread

@Thread

Have been watching the Noon Australian TV news today, 24 March. Some pretty scary shit for Australia and of course most countries

. Seems Singapore, Taiwan and South Korea are the only countries which had a workable pandemic infrastructure in place. They apparently learned from SARS.

The virus is spreading exponentially ;

Figures I just saw; from outbreak until 100,000 reported cases 27 days .Until 200,000. 11 days. until 300,000 4 dqys.

The good news is that 1000,000 people have recovered (around 1/3 of reported cases)

IN Australia, I mistakenly reported that all state borders had been closed. Queensland , with I think the longest state borders, has announced its borders will close from midnight tonight, Tuesday 24 March to all but essential crossings.

As of today , over ONE MILLION Aussies have been laid off work, The Government websites meant to help people have crashed. The government has announced that aide for those effected will not reach individuals before 27 April.

There are ' dole queues ' in OZ not seen since the great depression. (Centrelink is a centralised agency which through which people must go to access taxation, medicare, unemployment benefits ,pensions , etc .It is notoriously inefficient at the best of times. )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgHEEYzMIBI

It scares me to realise that I may have been right about a possible world depression. Imo it will take many countries, including mine, years to recover from the economic effects of the Virus.

doG's picture
@cranky ...if at all.

@cranky

...if at all.

cranky47's picture
@doG

@doG

Just so.

It took WW2 for countries such as the US, and other rest of the allies to recover from the great depression .

Perhaps The Prez could start a land war with China, OR invade Australia and bring us democracy according to Donald.

Whitefire13's picture
@ Great Depression talk...

@ Great Depression talk...
Think about what happened after WWI and the spanish flu....

cranky47's picture
@white

@white

"@ Great Depression talk...
Think about what happened after WWI and the spanish flu...."

Yair. The icing on the cake [for Germany} is seldom mentioned. US and Germany were still effectively on the gold standard . So of course the US repatriated ALL of the gold bullion it held in Germany. Germany tried to fix that problem by printing more money.

Of recent, it has occurred to me that the US is starting to look as if it will soon be doing the same thing.

The good news is that the US is NOT the world's largest debtor nation. (per capita) That honour belongs to-----Australia . What can I say? Aussies want what they want when they want it, just like a 2 year old child.

--at 72, I still love new tech, shiny things and having shit delivered . Of course, I haven't used credit since 1994 ,when I paid off my mortgage. Took me 3 years 10 months, but it was a small mortgage.

OT :Latest discovery; Ebay sells same quality art canvasses and acceptable quality brushes cheaper than I can get them locally (delivered )

Being self isolated, this is very reassuring. Having groceries delivered is not especially reassuring .Will have to buy fruit and vegetables from the supermarket which means expensive. Plus l pay a minimum of $9 for delivery. The more you buy the more expensive delivery. --AND they're doing me a big fat favour ,because I'm vulnerable to the virus. (better than average chance of death)

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ Cranky

@ Cranky

Free delivery from Woolies for a shop $100.00 plus and priority shopping if you are vulnerable just apply on line....Greengrocer locally has started delivering again...$50 shop is free.

cranky47's picture
@ Old man

@ Old man

"Free delivery from Woolies for a shop $100.00 plus and priority shopping if you are vulnerable just apply on line."

Yair, I've applied. Have been retired for a long time, so have been in the habit of going to the shops most days, rarely spending more than $40. I have to relearn a different mindset.

Rang the super clinic ; doctor is doing consults over the phone , with 2 or 3 day wait, he rings you. Either the chemist supplies a reply paid envelope or the patient must pick up scripts. I understand ; emailed, photocopied or faxed documents are not legal copies.

Can't get through to the chemist at all, even their message bank is fullI. Will have to go in on Friday to pick up my Webster pack. I are not happy . Really doing my best to self isolate.

You know, if this virus thingie goes on much longer, it may start to cause me considerable inconvenience .

My nephew in Victoria went to a country wedding on the weekend. I think I need to have words with my dopey sister who lives with him and his girlfriend .

Whitefire13's picture
Re: single retired grocery

Re: single retired grocery bill...

From a different perspective... 3 teenage boys - 1 breakfast (dozen eggs, one package bacon [complaining and fighting over bacon], 3/4 loaf bread - [asking if I made hash browns; 1 package] 2 litre milk gone...me scrambling for crumbs to maintain body weight)

Canadian prices, rounded...$4,6,3,3,4 - $20 one meal. Snacks, lunch, dinner, eat whatever’s left while I sleep...

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ Whitefire

@ Whitefire

Yep...I remember those days. In fact youngest child (now in his 30's) can still come over and demolish an entire roast that was to last wife and I up to 3 days in just one helping.......I wouldn't mind but all I have to do is glance at a bacon rasher now and I pop on 5 kilos.....

fuck it....baaacccoooon,,,,*droools* ........it is only slower and tastier than Covid 19........

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