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The point of this thread is to explain what they have in common which i have done
@ZERO No you have not. You have made inane assertions, fact-less claims, and comments bordering on the moronic. You do not get to compare the Big Bang with a fantasy.
I dont think the human mind can grasp the concept of absolutely nothing and infinity what they have in common is they are opposites
The human mind can not grasp it and yet you're explaining the difference between them?
The human mind does not have to grasp the idea of nothing. If you are going to assert nothing you must prove it is even possible. No place and in no way has "nothing" ever been observed. The universe is full of something. The most empty and vacuous areas of empty space are full of energy and quantum fluctuations. YOU HAVE NOTHING TO BASE YOUR IDEA (INANE ASSERTION) OF NOTHING ON. IT ONLY EXISTS IN THE MINDS OF MEN. WHEN WE LOOK TO REALITY, IT IS NOT THERE,.
Nyarlathotep - "Are you going to address the criticism that the big bang theory has nothing to do with creation (or creation from nothing)?
I guess not.
I have heard many of times that this universe started from absolutely nothing and if it did not you will always end up with something that has no creator but thanks freeslave i will try my best
@ZERO: Stop listening to creationists and pseudo science and you will not make as many idiotic remarks. Or ---- Demonstrate Nothing Can Actually Exist.
God had a creator. The human mind.
@chimp3: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ....."A human mind that was full of nothing!"
Ok if the big bang did not start from absolutely nothing than that would apply a multiverse and you can making universes in this multiverse but it would have had to start with something having no creator like coming from nothing or always existing which having no creator is the common trait of both the big bang and religion this is my last time explaining
As it has been explained to you---more than once---the big bang theory has an initial starting condition. That condition is a hot, dense, homogeneous (think well mixed, like cake batter), isotropic (again, think well mixed), expanding universe. In other words: i̲t̲ ̲s̲t̲a̲r̲t̲s̲ ̲w̲i̲t̲h̲ ̲t̲h̲e̲ ̲u̲n̲i̲v̲e̲r̲s̲e̲ ̲a̲l̲r̲e̲a̲d̲y̲ ̲e̲x̲i̲s̲t̲i̲n̲g̲. Which makes your whole argument kind of odd.
The theory of God (like the big bang theory) has an initial starting condition. As such, the two have this in common.
@Freeslave: You gotta be kidding me! That is one of the stupidest things any theist has ever said on this site.
1. THERE IS NO THEORY OF GOD. It does not exist. You do not know what the word "theory" means.
2. While "ALL" facts, evidence and observations lead us to a 'THEORY' of Big Bang Cosmology, NOTHING ABOUT GOD can offer anything close to that.
3. The assertion, A God Done It, was simply pulled out of the ass of some ancient con man and it was a good con so he kept doing it. Others learned to take advantage of people in the same way and 'WA-LA' we have modern religion. No evidence, no facts, no empirical support. Just BULLSHIT. And you think it has something similar to Big Bang Cosmology? You are a POE right?
The big bang is a scientific theory, that satisfies the scientific criteria this demands. Its falsifiable for a start, and supported by testable models, and objective evidence.
Paradoxically there is only belief in a deity or deities, no theory.
Certainly not in the sense that TBB is a theory. The comparison is absurd vapid rhetoric, nothing more.
@ZERO: NO! It does not imply anything. It means "WE DON'T FRIGGING KNOW." When we do know, some scientist will will a Nobel prize. Until then, cool your jets and stop playing Woo-woo "I know something you don't know." NO THERE IS NO COMMON TRAIT BETWEEN BIG BANG AND RELIGION. ONE IS A FANTASY AND THE OTHER BACKED BY ALL THE SCIENCE, OBSERVATION, EXPERIMENTATION, AND EXPERIENCE WE HAVE EVER HAD.
The word god is just a word it could mean an alien or just a higher power it could be an AI or a cyborg
OK My last time saying god had a creator.
You just said the universe existed before the big bang WOW that is a unpopular opinion that i can't recall hearing
Andrewcgs - "You just said the universe existed before the big bang WOW that is a unpopular opinion that i can't recall hearing "
I said the big bang theory starts with the universe already existing. Also that isn't an opinion, that is what the theory is. If you can't recall hearing that, perhaps you should start reading the academic literature on the subject. If you don't like the theory, that's fine, but that is an accurate description of the theory. But I understand; you don't know me, you don't know my background; so you shouldn't take my word on the matter:
Wikipedia(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang) - "The Big Bang theory is the prevailing cosmological model for the universe from the earliest known periods through its subsequent large-scale evolution. The model accounts for the fact that the universe expanded f̲r̲o̲m̲ ̲a̲ ̲v̲e̲r̲y̲ ̲h̲i̲g̲h̲ ̲d̲e̲n̲s̲i̲t̲y̲ ̲a̲n̲d̲ ̲h̲i̲g̲h̲ ̲t̲e̲m̲p̲e̲r̲a̲t̲u̲r̲e̲ ̲s̲t̲a̲t̲e̲"
Alan Guth (MIT physicist and cosmologist) - "What cosmologists call the big bang theory, really is, very strictly is only a theory of the aftermath of some kind of bang. The bang happened before the theory starts."
Religion had a creator which is the human mind can you agree with that?
The concept of an eternally existing universe is incoherent. It flies in the face of a myriad known and commonly accepted scientific theories. Time, space, matter and energy cannot simply be relegated to an infinite series of regression. The singularity from which the big bang originated must have had an origin. Since time cannot exist without space and matter, it is then reasonable to conclude that time, space, matter and energy must have had origins which cannot be explained by the preexistence of time, space matter and energy. Thus, a force which exists outside of those properties must have created those properties. Some theists call this creative force "God."
Bullshit! What theist call god changes with the wind. Your time space and matter statement was not exactly true. Time does not exist at the event horizon of a black hole. On sub-atomic levels, matter doesn't exist. At all levels space is relative. The only known constant is energy, but even that is elusive. Energy, as far as we know cannot be made or destroyed. It can only change form and quantity.
Clearly, what some call "science" changes with the wind as well. However, in the interest of not debating the fallacy of the premise on which your conclusion is based; if such be the case, then, from whence cometh energy?
Should I act like a theist apologist, and make an unwarranted assumption? Science doesn't know that answer. The question isn't germane to the issue. Nice attempt at distraction though.
It would seem that the question of origins is not only germane to the issue, but is the very issue itself, no?
Thankfully I am finally able to agree with you... science indeed doesn't know that answer. And THAT is precisely the point that the original poster was making.
No, the issue is whether or not the big bang and the god theory are common (exactly the same) as they were created from nothing.
Since the god theory is a made up theory imagined by mankind and has no substance or proof of reality it is quite different to the big bang, which has substance and proof of existence. Besides the big bang is only the beginning of our known universe, not the beginning of everything.
You yourself ignorantly claimed that something from nothing had not been proven and defies your limited and selective knowledge of science, you obviously disagree with the original post. Yet, you apologize for the OP.
So what we have here is you flip flopping, apologizing, revising, cherry-picking, using distraction push poll arguments not germane to the issue to defend the indefensible.
Asking stupid irrelevant questions like "so where did energy come from" is the same as asking if pink ghosts inhabit binary stars.
Truly, you have a dizzying intellect
Freeslave: 07-31-2016 21:26,
I totally disagree! Whether the universe, in its greatest sense, has a beginning is unknown. A universe with no beginning is not incoherent. See my post: Sun 07-31-2016 13:08 in this thread. The infinite regression you speak of might be viewed as an artificial sectioning of a continuous reality that must exist. You also exhibit a confusion about infinity, which is perfectly understandable. In a universe with no beginning, time, space, matter, and energy have no logical need of a creator! It's like an infinitely long anchor chain; there is no first link. Yet the chain holds!