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"did not come from nothing"
Damn, how presumptuous are you?
You've omitted a few possibilities. The Infinite Cycle theory, for example. The Branch Universe Theory, for another.
Do you think its one of the 3 or not and if so which one?
You didn't list them.
The Infinite Cycle Theory suggest that the universe is in an infinite cycle of expansion and contraction. It starts out as a single, compressed point of energy. This subsequently expands over the next few billion(trillion?) Years, before, for whatever reason (I suspect something Big Crunch-esqe) compresses back down to a single point, before expanding again. Rinse and repeat.
The branch Univers theory is not all to different from the above, but instead suggests that each time a universe compresses, it is(again, for whatever reason) ripped to shreds. These left over bits, instead of compressing into a single point, compress into multiple points. These expand, creating several smaller "branch universes".
The problem with these is that they answer the question of the origin of our current universe, but still leave the problem of "First Origin". Think "Yes, we know about Patients 1-15, but what about Patient 0?"
i have stated many times that if this universe did not come from nothing then it ethier always existed or does not exist at all which fits the 3 possible origins that i have explained. Do you think its one of the 3 is so which one?
But your three possible origins are not the only ones. The two I listed are just as valid. And you cannot say for certain that it always existed. Nor can you say it does not exist. You don't have that level of authority. None of us do.
The 2 theorys you explain are infinite which is always and is 1 of my 3 possibilities. 2 of my possibilities are believed by 90% of the population but i ask again because you are avoiding answering the question.do you think the universe started with 1 of the 3 possible origins i have stated if so which one?
That 90% figure is intriguing. We're ever did you get it. Or did you make it up?
It was an estimation but according to google 84 % of the world is religious of some kind and athiest are 14% of the population so that boosted me up to 94%. But you are still avoiding answering the question smh.
Something cannot always exist. That is against the very nature of existence. The infinite loop and branch universe theorys report how our current universe came about while acknowledging that it is impossible to know the origins of the setup. Some things are impossible to know.
So are you saying that this universe coming from nothing or not existing at all are also impossible.if so can you name another way to come into existence with absolute nothing to come from? because saying those 3 concepts are impossible i see no other possible origins
I'm saying it is impossible to know the "True Origin". All we can know is how universes keep coming about, not how the process was started.
You say they are impossible were i see no other ways to start a universe. And would ask you to at least name another way to start a universe because i don't think there no other ways to start a universe.then the 3 concepts i have stated
I'm going off the idea that we are but one in a chain of cycled universes. There was one before this one. There will be one after this one. It is impossible to know how the process started.
The process would have to start from nothing,always exist aka infinite cycles or it doesn't exist at all.
It is i̲m̲p̲o̲s̲s̲i̲b̲l̲e̲ to know how the process started. You cant have something from nothing(Matter can not be created or destroyed, it can only be converted to a different kind of matter.) Permeant existence violates the very nature of existence (infinity starts at 0, if you didn't know.) If it didn't exist at all, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Dont start soliphising.
So matter is infinite and has always existed? which you said that was impossible!
No. It has not always existed as matter. Remember, sub atomic particals and smaller do not tend to operate on the same laws as the larger universe.
Matter, time, space, energy, no one knows the full extent or properties of any of them. Science is trying to learn all about them. Then there is gravity, another unknown quantity. Everything you have stated is an assumption and nothing more, and your assumptions, including the percentages of what people think, goes against known truths and facts. You want very much to make your god real by fixing your myth in line to known science. That just doesn't work. Scientific hypothesis is based on observations, controlled experiments, peer review, and independent verification. The god theory has not met the scrutiny of any of those requirements. "god" is a man made idea based on imagination, nothing more. There is no experiment, no observation, no peer review, no independent verification, to give credibility to the god theory. It doesn't equate.
For example, Superman is a figment of a person's imagination. It isn't similar to the big bang at all. If in your original post you replaced "god" with "Superman", you'd see just how ridiculous your idea is.
You say matter cannot be created or destroyed
That seems to be infinite to me by definition.what i am trying to explain is that the only possible ways to start a universe is from nothing, it always existed, or it doesn't exist there is no other ways if so name it.
Universe laid as an egg by a yellow mutant space chicken?
Technically matter can be created and destroyed; but the above statements can be corrected by just switching the word mass for matter (it's a definitional thing, does not really change the argument).
Ah, I see. Thank you for clarifying that.
no other ways to start a universe has been made. i challenge anybody to name 1 and matter can always exist which means the concept of a god is legitimate
A= Branching Universe Theory B= You don't know that. Mass always exists. Mass and matter are different things entirely.
I already did. The universe was laid (like an egg) by a yellow mutant space chicken last Thursday, with false age. Why not, since we are just making shit up anyway; right? At least my version is consistent with observation!
Xavier i told you the branch theory is just infinite cycles and goes with 1 of my 3 points of something always existing try again. Nyarlathotep im not even going to respond to you but thats funny.
No, it doesn't. It doesn't say it's always been there. It dosent say the universe doesn't exist. It doesn't say it was created from nothing. You try again, tovarich.
Whats another way for that theory to start? Im am still waiting for an answer. Its ok to say that its impossible know but 94% of the world population believes in 2 of 3 of the concepts i stated including the scientific community and the spiritual and religious community.the smartest people who has ever lived agrees to 1 of 3 of the possible origins darwin, Einstein, carl sagan, Stephen hawking, bill nye, neil degrasse tyson the list goes on. So you say it impossible to know but the majority of the population have strong opinions about 1 of the 3 possibilities which was one my key points in making this thread. If 94% believes in 1 of 3 concepts they i would say the 6% left to get to 100% concepts on origins of a universe would be noncreditable for example what Nyarlathotep said about the chicken would fit in that 6%.
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