I have created this to have a decent sized space to explain the Universe theory that I stand by does NOT apply to Andrews post.
It seems Andrewcgs can't get a point, but I'll try.
The theory that I stand by suggests that the university expands and contracts in an infinite cycle. This infinite cycle, however, did have a starting point. This can be explained using a number line that includes both positive and negative numbers.
Let's assume that the negative numbers represent the "Time" when there was no universe. 0(a number which is not positive or negative) represents the point at which the cycle was kicked off. Every positive number represents a universe.
Since there was a kick off point, matter and mass did not always exist. However, it is impossible to know what happened at our "0 Hour" because we cannot look back. We could be Universe 1. We could be Universe 100. We could be Universe 100,000,000. We can't know which one we are either, because it is impossible to look back at the the ones that came before us to see how many there are. Why? Because those universes have systematically erased and replaced with the next one, the new one being in the same spot the previous one was. It is, therefore, impossible to know both what Universe we are on the line, and what the catalyst was that got the ball rolling.. Any clarifications needed, just leave a comment.
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It is not impossible to consider possibilities.it is not impossible to consider impossibility which something that is impossible can be disproven.94% of the world believes in 1of 3 of the concepts i stated and the orgins of everything has to start or not start with one of those 3 ways. I have ask you to just name another way to start a universe that is possible or impossible which you fail to do but disagree with 94% of the world population.
No it doesn't. Trying to ponder how is a fruitless venture. And, seeing as how 87% of the population is theists of different religions, I highly doubt that 94% of the population agrees with you. And no, I will not provide you with another possible way. I don't do fruitless or pointless, and such pondering is both.
you left out the athiest population which you claim is 13% add those 2 together and that would put me at 100% based on your numbers i have stated both thiest and athiest beliefs in my 3 ways to start a universe or cycle of universes
Atheism is not a religion. Not all religions hold any of your 3 to be true. It's impossible to know how it started, so pondering it is pointless.
Atheists don't have beliefs. Not all religious agree with you. Not all Atheists agree with you. Your lucky if you have 40% backing you.
Duh i know atheism is not a religion you said the athiest population was 13% and religion population was 87% add those 2 together and thats 100% which i have state both beliefs in the 3 ways to start a universe its just common sense!
Not all religious people hold any of your three true.. Not all atheists agree with your three. Your out of your mind if you think any more that 40% agree. And that would be you getting lucky(and luck dosent exist.)
Andrewcgs - "it is not impossible to consider impossibility which something that is impossible can be disproven."
Word salad?
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Andrewcgs - "everything has to start or not start with one of those 3 ways."
Consider the following:
All races must s̲t̲a̲r̲t̲ ̲o̲r̲ ̲n̲o̲t̲ ̲s̲t̲a̲r̲t̲ with one of the following methods: flag, starter pistol, or buzzer. Smells like a tautology to me.
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There has been no other scientific opinions on how a universe or universes can start very smat people past and present had or has 1 of 3 beliefs i have stated. You can use this philosophy for everything a chair for example
It either was created,always existed, or it doesn't exist there is not other ways of observation
It is impossible to know which one occured. Therefore, pondering it is pointless. I now throw the onus on to you. Prove those are the only three ways. Prove 94% of the population agrees with you.
Prove that:
1. The universe could only have started three ways.
2. No scientist has ever said any other way it could have happened.
3. 94% of the population believes at least one of your three.
There has been no other scientific opinions on how a universe or universes can start very smart people past and present had or has 1 of 3 beliefs i have stated. I think its safe to say that most athiest are scientific and could believe in either 1 of 3 scientific concepts. Religious beliefs is based on something that can always exist which is 1 of the 3 concepts i have stated. Athiest is 14% of the population and religious views are 84% making 94% of the world population believes in 1 of the 3 ways to start a universe that i have stated.
Andrewcgs - "Athiest is 14% of the population and religious views are 84% making 94% of the world population believes in 1 of the 3 ways to start a universe that i have stated."
I'm not so sure that it is safe to assume all atheists agree on anything (except the existence of god, I suppose). I damn well know that 84 + 14 ≠ 94
So finally some critical thinking!so you do agree that its 1 of the 3?
Andrewcgs - "So finally some critical thinking!so you do agree that its 1 of the 3?"
I really don't even understand your 3 options (is it 3 now?). I have no idea what the point of the 94% is you keep citing. I do agree with the tautology you posted earlier, but that is only because it is a tautology (and I doubt you even meant what you wrote). I will say I'm skeptical when someone says there are only X choices.
Again, PROVE that:
1. The universe could only have started three ways.
2. No scientist has ever said any other way it could have happened.
3. 94% of the population believes at least one of your three.
Give proof, not opinions. Sources. Polls. Interviews. Etcetera.
1.I have proven that you can use this philosophy with any and everything that is claimed to exist a TV has to have been created,always exist,or it doesn't exist.
2. I have already proven that 94% or at the very least a high percent agrees with one of the three ways i have stated to start a universe or universes.
3. I am asking you or anybody else is there another scientific way for a universe to exist and there has been a flatline in my search for a logical answer.in my studies the only scientific concepts that i have heard was those 3 ways.therefore as it stands today the only 3 concepts to be considered.
What proof? And the burden of proof is on you for having made these claims. I haven't seen sources. You yourself have no credibility. Quit dodgeing and trying to cop out, and give some proof. Cite your sources while your at it.
The proof that you can use my philosophy universally
The proof that i have given you high percentages of the population fits into 1 of 3
Of the categories i have stated and how they fit into those categories.
But the last one fall on you because i only claim of not knowing other scientific ways.therefore in my opinion there is no others ways as it stand today my stance can change with new information you say there is i ask you to name 1 and you fall short of doing so.
Prove that these percentages are there. Philosophy is not proof.
Hold up do you agree that it has to be 1 of those 3 ways? But disagree to your opinion of it being impossible to know which one.
No, I don't agree with that. You have not offered any SOLID proof that that is true OR that 94% of the population hold that true. You, so far, have nothing to back what you are saying up. Quit rebuttleing me and go find some real proof. Citeable sources.
"It is impossible to know which one occured." sounds like you was agreeing that one of the three ways is possible but impossible to know which one.are you taking back your position?
You are avoiding the problem of proof. I have no reason to do anything you have asked until you prove that 94% of people agree with you, and that those are the only possible ways the universe could form.
Its actually 98% which Nyarlathotep pointed out 84+14=98 both athiest and religious populations.but i have already proven this
I think its safe to say that most athiest are scientific and could believe in either 1 of 3 scientific concepts. Religious beliefs is based on something that can always exist which is 1 of the 3 concepts i have stated. Athiest is 14% of the population and religious views are 84% making 94% CORRECTION! 98% of the world population believes in 1 of the 3 ways to start a universe that i have stated. If not 98% at the very least would still be a high percentage would still be the majority of the world population having 1 of 3 of the beliefs i have stated.
IS THIS NOT PROOF?
Andrewcgs - "IS THIS NOT PROOF?"
Absolutely not proof. Probably not evidence either (I can't say for sure it isn't evidence, because I'm not even sure what you are claiming).
Thank you. I was almost (figuratively) out of breath.
NO, BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO SOURCES. YOU ALONE ARE NOT CREDIBLE ENOUGH TO PROVE SOMTHING! YOU HAVE NO PROOF. NO EVIDENCE. NO SOURCES. YOU HAVE NOTHING TO BACK UP YOUR CLAIMS. Proshchal'nyy Bezumets
I have given you numbers that are not my own but according to google.and all of what i am is explaining is pure common sense and critical thinking at is finest and requires no sources to understand the concept.as i have stated this is just possibility and very well might not be true but form the reasons i have explained should at the very least be considered and removed from the the category of impossible.
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