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PROVE IT Caitlin! Prove god exists and that existence is outside of time. You are spewing PURE FUCKING BULLSHIT!
And if god exists and he doesn't YOU have decided that YOU are the voice of this god.
@mykcob4
Every athiest knows that is impossible to prove that God exists and it is also impossible to prove that he doesn't exist. I am also not the single voice of God.
@Caitlin
Why is it impossible to prove your god? It is illogical to disprove what has NEVER been proven.
You said, " I am also not the single voice of God." Yet you tell people what god wants. Apparently, you think that YOU speak for god. I say you are full of shit. You don't speak for god even IF he were real. It is an arrogant assumption for you to say what god wants. You don't fucking know. It just so happens what YOU fucking say god wants is EXACTLY what YOU fucking want. How fucking convenient!
You believe in YOUR god, you prove him. You think you know what he wants, prove that to be true, OR SHUT THE FUCK UP AND QUIT TELLING PEOPLE WHAT GOD FUCKING WANTS, because YOU don't fucking know!
Eloquently put, why do theists come on here and think they're going to cause an epiphany for the poor simple atheists by making bald assertions?
@mykcob4
Why is it illogical to disprove something that some claim have existed. My god can be found in the historical records and is considered the most influential person of all time. I don't tell people what God wants, there is a theological basis to everything I say. I believe that God can speak through me. I don't necessarily want the same things God wants from me, I'm not sure where you got that idea. I crave sin like everyone else. I'm curious what your evidence against eucharistic miracles are? This is something I would consider factual evidence and have tried to find evidence against it but was unable to.
" My god can be found in the historical records and is considered the most influential person of all time."
Actually not one person wrote one word about Jesus until decades after he had died, and what is written is third hand at best. The accounts are obviously fabricated in places, and worst of all none of the claims have any corroborating evidence outside of the bible, so to claim there are historical records is simple not true, you might as well claim the Legends of Hercules are an historical account. Your second sentence is a risible subjective claim, try telling to Hindus or Muslims.
"I don't tell people what God wants, there is a theological basis to everything I say. "
Can it be objectively evidenced to be true? I'm guessing not given your posts so far, and the relentlessly disappointing claims for "evidence" we always get from theists.
" I believe that God can speak through me. "
I do not believe this, where does that leave us Caitlin? Oh yes, objective evidence will be required for your claim, and around and around we go...
" I'm curious what your evidence against eucharistic miracles are? "
You're asking people to disprove your claims for the supernatural again, that's irrational. If you have evidence for your claim for a miracle provide it, and this would make objections moot if it is objectively valid. I warn you, the bar for evidence is necessarily commensurate to the claim as I approach all claims with an open mind, so will accept no bias.
" This is something I would consider factual evidence"
What is? You have offered none? Come on Caitlin I'm starting to suspect you're trolling here.
That is just stupid Caitlin. One doesn't go around trying to DISPROVE what has never been proven! I know that the tooth fairy is not true but I don't have to disprove the tooth fairy. Someone has to PROVE the tooth fairy is true!
Historical records? Are you bat shot crazy? There is not ONE historical record of ANY fucking god, not one! Now there are plenty of people that claimed a god but no facts to support any god! Try again junior!
I don't HAVE to have any proof "against eucharistic miracles". The burden of proof falls on you to PROVE any eucharistic miracles!
And quit fucking lying! No god speaks through you! If he does fucking PROOF IT! Instead of supposedly looking for evidence against which is a batshit crazy practice in the first place, why don't you PROVE what YOU claim to be true! That is the responsible thing to do.
This whole post of yours is a fucking lie. You are a fucking liar. There is NO need to be "nice" to people like you. You have been getting away with BULLSHIT for 2000 years plus!
So fucking produce some REAL proof or shut the fuck up. Until then you are just a fucking liar and I am not "nice" to liars.
"Every athiest knows that is impossible to prove that God exists and it is also impossible to prove that he doesn't exist. I am also not the single voice of God."
Do you believe in everything it is impossible to falsify? Can you prove you are not surrounded by invisible fairies? Do you then believe these fairies are there? Can you now see how absurdly illogical it is to offer unfalsifiability as an argument for the validity of a belief?
You have used two common logical fallacies there, one is an argument from ignorance, and the second is argumentum ad populum or a bare appeal to numbers. i encourage you to research bot and what they mean for your claims.
"Every athiest knows that is impossible to prove that God exists and it is also impossible to prove that he doesn't exist. I am also not the single voice of God."
Just like invisible unicorns then, do you believe invisible unicorns are real? Come on Caitlin, I donlt have unlimited patience for this crap, and we have all heard this nonsense too many times from too many of the confidently credulous who go around and around but demonstrate not one shred of objective evidence. I even started a thread for any apologist to offer any objective evidence they have, and no one could offer anything beyond a very obviously subjective claim from an 8th century monk for a Eucharist miracle.
"Every athiest knows that is impossible to prove that God exists and it is also impossible to prove that he doesn't exist."
I'm an atheist, I don't "KNOW" either of those things, and it axiomatically would depend on how 'god' was being defined.
"God exists outside of time and therefore knows everything that has happened and will happen. "
No he doesn't Hitchens's razor slash.
"God is aware of your choices but he only steps in if you choose to let him work in your life."
No he doesn't Hitchens's razor slash.
"He gave us free will and therefore does not interfere if not asked to interfere. "
Or even when the faithful ask for his help, there have been double blind clinical studies that showed unequivocally that intercessory prayer does not work.
"Meta-studies of the literature in the field have been performed showing evidence only for no effect or a potentially small effect. For instance, a 2006 meta analysis on 14 studies concluded that there is "no discernible effect" while a 2007 systemic review of intercessory prayer reported inconclusive results, noting that 7 of 17 studies had "small, but significant, effect sizes" but the review noted that the most methodologically rigorous studies failed to produce significant findings."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studies_on_intercessory_prayer
The best you can say is it occasionally produces a very mild placebo effect..
"God wants us to know him and you cannot truly know God unless you accept him into your life."
No he doesn't and no he doesn't, Hitchens's razor slash.
Caitlin, even leaving aside your claim that God exists and that you know what it wants, the whole concept of a plan and free will are incompatible. If god is all-knowing, all powerful and outside time, it knows the movements of every particle in the universe and of course knows everything each person is going to do, so he knows before hand if you are going to hell or not. If it is so, there is no free-will. Your final fate is already known by God.... or he is not all-knowing, or there is not a plan of any kind. God sits in his cloud and let everything go to hell in a basket, enjoying the spectacle... but to enjoy it, he cannot know the result., again, he cannot be all-knowing. There is not way to fit these two things together, no matter how much you try. Sorry.
For what it is worth, that is false.
@Caitlin: My god can be found in the historical records
Does anyone remember the Star Trek parody "Galaxy Quest"? An alien race, the Thermians, pick up episodes of a sci-fi TV series, which they believe to be "historical documents." They build an entire culture and moral system based on this series because they have no concept of fiction. As a result, they see Tim Allen and Sigourney Weaver as their saviors.
@Algebe Re: Galaxy Quest
Yep. Saw it. Wait..... You mean they AREN'T really saviors? But...but....but it was on TV, so it MUST BE true!
Bloody hilarious...also took the disposability of red shirts to lampoon levels LOL...loved it!
For me, the notion that we (human beings) create evil because we chose to "sin" of our "Free Will" falls down as soon as you consider animal suffering. Egregious, mind numbingly cruel, nightmare inducing animal suffering. If there is such a thing as objective morality, as people of faith claim, why would god set up an animal kingdom where egregious suffering is the norm? If people of faith are right and animals are non-moral ( actually they're wrong: many animals behave morally. It's not peculiar to human beings) and morality is objective, surely we'd see evidence of that objective morality throughout the animal kingdom? It would be the natural state, the natural law. Surely we'd be the only species capable of defying that natural law and natural state, the only ones capable of "sin"?
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