@ God AIN'T nothing (sure as 7734 ain't awesome)

“GOD is VERY REAL

“Just because you haven’t seen God with your eyes, doesn’t mean he isn’t real.

“He says he makes himself known to those who seek Him. If you seek me with all of your heart, I will be found of you he said.

“Those who close their thoughts and close their hearts don’t get to experience his awesomeness. They go through life with a closed heart. He warns in His Word to those who have, what he calls, an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God.

“Seek him with all of your heart! He made an everlasting covenant through the blood of his Son. He isn’t a liar.

“The attitude of your heart means everything. He is the best friend you will ever have. He loves you sooooooo much. He is on your side. And when he shows you how real he’s is, it will FLIP YOU OUT!

“He meant what he said. For God so loved the world, he gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him, should not perish but have everlasting life. He is the only one who defeated death on your behalf. No one else can rescue you from the power of death in the end.”

HEY, DUDETTE!!

If you are going to fling your shit on our home, then please clean it up.

Get the cleaning equipment in the closet, first door on the left.

And I did not read this whole thread. Sorry. Brand new and over 150 replies. 40 is my limit.

rmfr

EDIT: fixed gender reference

Oh lovely, we have another tiresome preacher to deal with ...

Let's take a look at the assorted bollocks being dumped here out of his soiled intellectual nappies, shall we?

Just because you haven’t seen God with your eyes, doesn’t mean he isn’t real.

So do tell us, what reliably repeatable method exists, allowing this entity to be detected? "Talk to my magic man and my magic man will talk back" doesn't count, because it's about as reliable as a politician's promises.

He says he makes himself known to those who seek Him.

You seem to be unaware of the fact that we've heard all these assertions from your ilk before. And, lo and behold, they've all turned out to be nothing more than unsupported assertions.

Indeed, your favourite mythology is, in effect, nothing more than a large collection of unsupported assertions, some of them fatuous and absurd.

If you seek me with all of your heart, I will be found of you he said.

The heart is an organ for pumping blood. Slept through basic biology classes did you?

Those who close their thoughts and close their hearts don’t get to experience his awesomeness.

Oh, please, spare us the synthetic excuses for your magic man failing to provide an atom of genuine evidence for its existence.

Funny how, in an era when the only observers present were a bunch of superstitious piss-stained nomads who couldn't count correctly the number of legs that an insect possesses, your magic man apparently engaged in all manner of spectacular Pixar-style pyrotechnics, but now that the planet is littered with cameras, scanned by civilian and military radars on a daily basis, observed by satellites, and we have space based telescopes peering into the depths of the observable universe, your magic man is apparently reduced to occasional acts of food vandalism.

They go through life with a closed heart.

Bollocks. Actually, the reason we treat the merely asserted magic man of your favourite mythology, as nothing more than the product of the rectal passages of the authors of said mythology, is because we've examined that mythology in depth, and found it to be replete with absurd nonsense.

He warns in His Word to those who have, what he calls, an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God.

NOT treating unsupported mythological assertions as fact isn't "evil", it's the only proper course of action to take for anyone possessing a proper level of respect for the rigorous rules of discourse. Speaking of which, do you know what these are?

Seek him with all of your heart! He made an everlasting covenant through the blood of his Son.

Yawn. Once again, do learn some basic biology.

He isn’t a liar.

Really? Then why did your magic man exhort his piss-stained followers to fill their mythology with known and demonstrable falsehoods?

The attitude of your heart means everything.

Attitudes are products of the brain. Once again, learn some basic biology.

He is the best friend you will ever have. He loves you sooooooo much. He is on your side.

Apparently this imaginary entity of yours attaches terms and conditions of a sort that are more the product of megalomania than love. Your mythology is quite explicit, for once, about asserting this.

And when he shows you how real he’s is, it will FLIP YOU OUT!

No it won't, because your magic man is imaginary.

Moving on ...

I have seen many miracles, healings, and people delivered from demons.

Now I know you're talking shit. Fucking demons? Excuse me, you think this mediaeval fantasy is fucking real?

Science won’t be able to save your soul from eternal death

The existence of this entity is another of those supernaturalist assertions we've been waiting 5,000 years for supernaturalists to support with genuine evidence, as opposed to apologetic fabrications and rhetorical spells. Got any?

It’s your choice not to believe.

Here's a clue for you. Those of us who exerted some intellectual effort in this vein, dispense with belief altogether. Not least because people like you conttinue to add to the already large body of observational evidence, to the effect that belief, as practised by supernaturalists, consists of nothing more than uncritical acceptance of unsupported mythological assertions. Those of us who paid attention in class tossed this drivel into the bin a long time ago.

You cannot prove God doesn’t exist.

Oh, not, not ANOTHER supernaturalist who has the rules of discourse ass backwards.

YOU are the one asserting that your magic man is real, therefore YOU are required to support this assertion. All we have to do is sit back and enjoy the spectacle of you failing.

I do have evidence.

Oh, this will be a first ...

We went into the worst part of town preaching the gospel. We found an old woman who had to crawl around on the floor for years and years, we explained to her all about Jesus. We laid our hands on her in His Name and she was healed. The whole neighborhood knew her for years and saw her walking.

Did this case ever appear in the medical journals? Because it's exactly the sort of case that the medical journals would be interested in, not least because they would be interested in determining if there were any detectable organic changes compared to the state of this individual before the purported "miracle".

Here's a clue for you: anecdote does not equal data, even if the anecdote isn't, as many here suspect, the product of fabrication.

Gods Word says there are no atheists, because he has clearly shown them His glory, just by looking at creation.

The existence of myself and several others here refutes this tiresome, preachy assertion. Furthermore, those of us who paid attention in science classes, know more about the observable universe and its contents at 11 years of age, than the authors of your mythology were capable of knowing throughout their lives.

Indeed, the authors of your mythology were incapable of even <>em>fantasising about vast classes of entities and phenomena, that have since been alighted upon by scientists, and placed by said scientists within usefully predictive, quantitative frameworks of knowledge. The authors of your mythology knew nothing about the existence of three major continental land masses on this planet, which should be a source of embarrassment to adherents thereof residing on those land masses.

Meanwhile, it seems another one has joined the party ... oh this is going to be fun ...

God is a person and does what He wishes.

Still waiting for that existence assertion to be supported with something other than apologetic fabrications and rhetorical spells ...

Maybe you don’t understand His ways but He is perfect in them. So, here’s the scoop.

Why do I have a nagging sense of deja vu here, with respect to the suspicion that this is going to be nothing more than tiresome preachy bollock totally bereft of anything worthy of being called 'data'?

Adam and Eve fell into sin.

If you mean that fatuous tale about the stool pigeons being set up to walk into a prepared trap, I've already addressed this risible fairytale in depth here. Read that post and learn something.

Adam passed his “sinful gene” (not really a gene but you get my drift) onto every human ever born. We are all messed up bcuz of that.

Funny how the people who are most "messed up" tend to be religious believers. See: Catholic priests implicated in child rape, money vampire televangelists screwing the poor to finance private jets, charlatans peddling lies about science via such nonsense as the "Creation Museum", acting as a drag anchor to scientific and medical progress ... need I go on?

So. God knew that we could never be perfect in His sight or obey His ways

Which rather refutes the assertion that the "creation" of this entity was purportedly "perfect", if the same entity deliberately introduced therein manifestly imperfect entities. Speaking of which, why is it OUR fault that this entity made us imperfect? Which is what you are asserting here ...

so He sent His son, Jesus to be our kinsman redeemer. Jesus was God AND man but since He was conceived by the Holy Spirit and NOT Adam, HE HAD NO SIN GENE.

Er, if your magic man hadn't fabricated Adam with this "sin gene" in the first place, none of this shit would have been necessary. Or didn't you think of this elementary concept before posting your laughable preaching?

He was born to die as the unblemished lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. And He said, “Whosoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

You mean, like a good few of those children who starve to death in Africa every year?

If you ever feel bad about yourself and or carry guilt or regret about your life, you can be FREE of it all and forgiven completely so that that rock that is on your back and in your gut can be relieved. Jesus can make it disappear and you can be a new person!

And we've seen the outcome of this in the real world ... namely, lots of people who think that all they have to do is say the right magic words about your magic man, and any atrocity they commit is immediately declared null and void. See: those Catholic priests implicated in child rape, etc ...

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever should believe in Him will be saved.

Yawn ...

He meant what he said. For God so loved the world, he gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him, should not perish but have everlasting life. He is the only one who defeated death on your behalf. No one else can rescue you from the power of death in the end.

I perceive that you are very logical and enjoy that kind of thinking. But you don’t understand that there is a spiritual realm that exists to your detriment.

Actually, this is one of the supernaturalist assertions we're still waiting to see supported with something other than apologetic fabrications and rhetorical spells. Got any substance here, as opposed to yet more appeals to mythological assertion?

My question: if you died now do you know what would happen to you?

I'd decompose. Next?

I’m not trying to be a smart Alec or difficult, it’s a fair question. What if you’re wrong?

I notice supernaturalists NEVER ask themselves the same question about their attachment to mythological assertions. Care to try that sometime?

What if you die and then you realize you are not dead bcuz your spirit is still alive?

Well, we have a slight problem here with your hypothetical scenario. That problem centres upon the fact that supernaturalists cannot agree among themselves on a global scale, which of our extant mythologies is purportedly the "right" mythology, and adherents of a particular mythology cannot agree among themselves what that mythology is purportedly telling us. Now, in the face of this vast display of anti-consilience, why should we treat any supernaturalist assertion as fact, when supernaturalists themselves cannot agree among each other which of the available assertions being peddled is purportedly "true"?

Once again, take your time on this one. Start by asking yourself why it is, that supernaturalists are all so convinced that their favourite choice of mythology and their choice of assertions to treat as fact, are purportedly the "right" mythology and the "right" assertions, yet NONE of them can achieve anything even remotely approaching a consensus?

When you've deliberated that one for a while, you'll be in a position to realise why we regard the tiresome resurrection of this banal question of yours in the light that we do.

As for "what if I'm wrong", well the first thing I'll want to know, is why I was denied access to the evidence allowing me to make the requisite choice, and why all the people telling me about this beforehand were manifest charlatans. Indeed, this is something I'd like you to try and answer while you're here - why is it, that if your magic man is real, your magic man has somehow arranged for its representatives to be a mixture of the stupid and the duplicitous, whilst the representatives of the scientific worldview, by stark contrast, are by comparison models of diligence, honesty and erudition? Please explain that one to us all, as I've never seen a supernaturalist even acknowledge the existence of that question, let alone try to answer it.

I beg you to just consider this man Jesus.

Excuse me, do you honestly think none of us here has encountered your mythology, or read it?

Several of the other posters here live in places where they're subjected to 24/7 refried Jesus wheezing and proselytising. It's impossible for them to escape from non stop fucking bleating about Jeebus. In addition, when they've managed to find some quiet time away from the mouths on sticks that populate your religion, they've expended diligent effort examining your mythology in detail, and found it wanting. They've found it to be replete with assertions about the world that are not merely wrong, but fatuous and absurd, and as a corollary of finding this, rightly question the idea that this mythology can be considered in any way reliable, as a purported source of "knowledge" on the subject of the fantastic entities asserted therein to exist. Once again, spend time on this one.

If you care about your own well being, please. Do not become religious, (I am not) but if you believe that Jesus was the Son of God and rose from the dead you will be saved.

Yawn.

Do some reading and see how he was prophesied exactly as he lived and died.

Er, that's one of the absurdities we've found in your mythology - purported "prophesies" that turned out to be wrong. You forget, we've read this in detail.

Question: if there is no God why does Israel keep surviving?

Military might. You do realise that Israel is one of the few export customers allowed to buy certain categories of top-level American military hardware? And which receives financial aid packages facilitating said purchases? Oh, and Israel has been a regional nuclear power since the 1980s. Israel was one of the very few countries allowed to purchase and operate the Patriot surface to air missile system, it's a preferential customer for the F-35, and its own indigenous arms industry has been prolific. Israel has powerful military and financial backers in the USA, and a ruthlessly efficient lobbying system to perpetuate this.

Let's see if any of our resident preachers have any substance to offer in response to the above, shall we? Or whether I'll be subject to more tiresome fact-free proselytising, along with claims that I'm "possessed by demons" or some other fatuous mediaeval excrement of this sort?

Hey guys, what do y'all think of all the Messianic prophecies Jesus fulfilled? We have manuscripts, mostly from the Dead Sea scrolls, dating from before the time of Christ, and there are some very specific things that could not have been a coincidence or that Jesus could not have just "decided" to fulfill: that he would be of the tribe of Judah (Gen. 49:10, fulfilled Luke 3:23, 33) and the house of David (Jeremiah 23:5, fulfilled Luke 3:23, 31) born at Bethlehem (Mic. 5:2, fulfilled Matt. 2:1) body pierced in crucifixion (Zech. 12:10, fulfilled John 19:34) just to name a few. There are many many more. I would appreciate your honest thoughts on this. Thanks!