Just because you haven’t seen God with your eyes, doesn’t mean he isn’t real.
He says he makes himself known to those who seek Him. If you seek me with all of your heart, I will be found of you he said.
Those who close their thoughts and close their hearts don’t get to experience his awesomeness. They go through life with a closed heart. He warns in His Word to those who have, what he calls, an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God.
Seek him with all of your heart! He made an everlasting covenant through the blood of his Son. He isn’t a liar.
The attitude of your heart means everything. He is the best friend you will ever have. He loves you sooooooo much. He is on your side. And when he shows you how real he’s is, it will FLIP YOU OUT!
He meant what he said. For God so loved the world, he gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him, should not perish but have everlasting life. He is the only one who defeated death on your behalf. No one else can rescue you from the power of death in the end.
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Yawn. Care to provide any evidence for any of your assertions?
Hi NewSkeptic, please read my post on this thread.
What objective evidence can you demonstrate for any deity?
God is a spirit. Are you trying to see a spirit with your eyes?
I am telling you, the next time you are in a awful situation, your back is up against the wall, and there’s nothing you can do to save yourself from the situation...... CALL ON THE NAME OF JESUS. There is power and salvation in His name. You will see for yourself.
Gods Word says, There is no other name given to man under heaven by which you can be saved.
ALL who call on the Name of the Lord JESUS shall be saved. You will see.
If a thing is non-phenomenal, for all intents and purposes it does not exist.
That is not comforting to those who lost loved ones recently in Sri Lanka, where "God" notably did fuck-all to help.
Before you attempt to judge God, read His Word. He spells out exactly what’s happening in the earth and the situation we are currently in... if you really want to know why there’s tragedy on this earth. Read up and you will understand exactly what’s happening.
As you cannot observe "God", you cannot know what "God"'s "Word" is.
In my view, the very embodiment of evil is a being that knows it is able to prevent evil but decides not to.
I am an atheist, I cannot judge what I don't believe exists.
"if you really want to know why there’s tragedy on this earth. Read up and you will understand exactly what’s happening."
That's not what I asked, you claimed explicitly that ALL who pray get answered, and this is a demonstrable lie, only you haven't the integrity to answer my question as you know it exposes it as a lie.
It's an inescapable fact that people pray to Jesus all the time and their prayers go unanswered.
You have also still not answered my question, what objective evidence can you demonstrate for any deity?
What objective evidence can you demonstrate for any deity?
"I am telling you, the next time you are in a awful situation, your back is up against the wall, and there’s nothing you can do to save yourself from the situation...... CALL ON THE NAME OF JESUS. There is power and salvation in His name. You will see for yourself."
Research has shown that intercessory prayer does not work. Theists just ignore this and use selection bias to highlight when the result goes the way they want. It's a logical fallacy called post hoc ergo propter hoc.
"ALL who call on the Name of the Lord JESUS shall be saved."
Then why do prayers go unanswered all the time, or does Jesus just love seeing parents pray to him, then watch helpless as their child dies in pain? Also what the fuck are the random capitals for?
Science has cured diseases and even eradicated some, and one day it will cure cancer. What the fuck has Jesus ever done you can demonstrate any objective evidence for?
I have seen many miracles, healings, and people delivered from demons. Remember Jesus said to one town, he could do no mighty work there due to their UNBELIEF. In fact, those who didn’t believe on Him mocked, scorned and crucified him.
I have had prayers I wanted unanswered before too, but does that mean he doesn’t exist? Of course not.
Please don’t curse at me. I am telling you, he is REAL. And there’s no one like Him. Just because you haven’t experienced him, does not mean he is not there or you won’t in the future.
Science has done more to improve quality of life in the last 20 years than Christianity has in the last 2000 years.
Science won’t be able to save your soul from eternal death, only Jesus can. It’s your choice not to believe.
Death is permanent, by definition.
However, that does not mean that death is necessarily inevitable.
The claim that Jesus can do something that by definition is an oxymoron is bullshit.
No, don't be absurd. A person cannot force themselves to believe something contrary to their own nature and which does not meet their standard of evidence.
If I believe that something is incorrect, I cannot make myself believe it to be true contrary to my own natural inclination. You could brainwash me, but I would not in my right mind believe it to be true.
Your idea of morality is to reward people for believing "correctly" because it is in their nature to do so, and to torture people for believing "incorrectly" because they are not naturally inclined to do so. If there is such a thing as virtue, it would be to act morally contrary to your own nature...but that is an oxymoron if you believe that everything is predetermined.
Personally, it is in my nature to believe that a being that tortures others for eternity would be the very embodiment of evil if it existed, and I know that it is contrary to my nature to ever follow such a being.
Hell is no more real than your deity, I am as scared of that myth as I am of being gored by an angry unicorn.
What objective evidence can you demonstrate for any deity.
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"I have seen many miracles, healings, and people delivered from demons."
You haven't seen any miracles, or healing, and there is no such thing as demons. If you make unevidenced claims then they can be dismissed without evidence, this is called Hitchens's razor.
"Remember Jesus said to one town, he could do no mighty work there due to their UNBELIEF. "
Another unevidenced claim, and according to your bible Jesus also endorsed slavery, beseeching slaves to "obey your masters, even the cruel ones."
"I have had prayers I wanted unanswered before too,"
Again intercessory prayer has been objectively tested in double blind clinical trials, it shown no discernible effect. IT DOESN'T WORK.
"Please don’t curse at me. "
Then don't fucking preach at me.
"I am telling you, he is REAL. And there’s no one like Him."
What objective evidence can you demonstrate for this claim?
"Just because you haven’t experienced him, does not mean he is not there or you won’t in the future.
Just because you choose to believe this hokum doesn't mean it is true. What objective evidence can you demonstrate for any deity? All you'e doing is preaching at us, in an attempt to proselytise, this is a debate forum, not a church pulpit. I find it incredibly insulting when theists do this.
@Sheldon
1. You have no idea what I’ve seen. All you know is what you haven’t seen.
2. You cannot prove God doesn’t exist.
3. Foul language and insults reveal your lack of understanding. Don’t go through life as a rebel with an attitude. It only hurts you.
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God is AWESOME
1. You have no idea what I’ve seen. All you know is what you haven’t seen.
2. You cannot prove God doesn’t exist.
3. Foul language and insults reveal your lack of understanding. Don’t go through life as a rebel with an attitude. It only hurts you.
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!. I don't care what you think you've seen, you made a claim and thus it requires evidence, you can demonstrate none for the claim, thus it is dismissed in the same fashion it is offered - without evidence, Hitchens's razor applies.
2. You cannot prove fairies don't exist - this is a known logical fallacy called argumentum ad ignorantiam.
3. I've not insulted you, but your beliefs are fair game if you preach them at people in a public forum, if you don't like that then you should consider keeping them to yourself. You've also had ample time to demonstrate any explanatory powers your beliefs offer, and to demonstrate any objective evidence for them, all you have offered is sententious sermons and proselytising. If bad language and insults bother you then show some fucking respect please, and stop preaching at me. Don;t go through life a gullible ignorant sheep, you'll simply get fleeced of the only life you will ever have.
EDIT: As a footnote, I notice GIA has returned to offer a single solitary disagree, but didn't bother to respond to my post. If I thought prayer had any efficacy I might be tempted to pray for at least one theist to engage in honest debate with some integrity.
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@Dioptrephes
"Was Jesus there?"
The more relevant question is how can anyone phrase this as a miracle. This woman had decades taken away from her life, the little boy did not have a mother as he grew up, and the father lost his wife for decades.
If there is a god, that god engineered not only the miraculous awakening, but also the car crash.
@ God is AWESOME: RE: God is spirit.... HA HA HA HA .... OH my side aches. Keep it up! Jack Daniels is Spirit too but you can't see it. On the other hand if you drink enough you can see God. Ha ha ha ha ha ha .......
The next time' I am in an awful situation and my back is against the wall I will have a huge breasted whore clinging to my hips with her legs. We will certainly be SCREAMING JESUS! There is certainly something in his name... cuz if you say it at the wrong time it can piss off a whole lot of Christians. Ha ha ha ha ha...... I love that we can now "SEE FOR OURSELVES" when before I had to use a divining penis to "SEE." Have you changed your mind on this whole, "YOU CAN'T SEE GOD" shit or like him are you just trying to be mysterious?
God's word says??? Which word? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ..... No other word by which you can be saved. YOU HAVE NOT READ YOUR BIBLE. Pope Francis says Atheists go to heaven. After all we are more honest than the Christians. Can you imagine some little shit running around pretending that he knew all about you when he only heard about you in a book? Wouldn't that piss you off. WE ARE SURE LITTLE SHITS LIKE THAT PISS THE HELL OUT OF GOD> HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ......
Great! "Jesus Save Me." Okay now that that is over.... back to the whore. HA HA HA HA HA HA ,..... Heaven is full of degenerate pieces of shit who made death bed confessions. I think I will do better on my own. You enjoy yourself thought. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.....
@Cognostic
You’re a very unhappy person. I feel sorry for you.
@God-Awful-... (Dang-it!... Sorry.) God-Awesome Re: To Cog - "I feel sorry for you."
Whoa-whoa-whoa! Just hold on a sec here!... *reading post again*.... What the...? You feel sorry for COG??? What about the rest of us who have to live with him day after day? You should feel sorry for US, not him. Honestly, the only reason we tolerate him is because of his delicious banana pudding. But, hell, even THAT barely makes him tolerable. Sheesh!... *throwing hands up in disgust*... *turning and storming out of room*...
@ Tin Man
Now ain't that the truth! Hey, Clanker mind the banana peel on the bathroom doo........never mind.......*whistles idly as sounds of distress emanate from behind closed door* Ah well, at least one person in this house will be happy tonight.
At least Arakish got rid of the unicorn rave...Hey what's this?...sniffs glass of slightly yellow liquid...Leftover Unicorn pee? Hey *takes a long slug* WTF? Where's me legs gone? Eric? Cog? Tin Man? Anyone? Heeelp!
@Old Man
...*handing over a block of square poop*... Here! Quick! Take a bite of this! It has (sometimes) been known to counter the unicorn pee!
@ TM
Thanks...oh..WHOA...how did you get out of Cog's clutches? Were they sounds of enjoyment in the bathroom? Not pain and suffering? Have you been to Stockholm? (clever reference).
Hold on...Why is cog....is Cog...SMILING? Why are his hands...*double takes* CLEAN? Have you discovered a new 'reward' system of training? Well?
*wails* Arakish! ARAKISH..something weird is happening here! We need your famous french toast STAT!
@Old Man Re: "...how did you get out of Cog's clutches?"
Well, for starters, I actually noticed the banana peel on the doorknob a split-second before bursting into the bathroom. Managed to close my eyes just before entering. From that point, though, things got a bit more dicey. Fortunately, I had just come from the spa, so I had a fresh coating of oil. Cog wasn't able to get a good hold on me. So that gave me a few precious seconds to deploy one of my Donald Duck arm floaties, detach it, and toss it across the room to distract him. It worked, thankfully. He was all over it in less than a heartbeat. (And judging by the sounds I heard, I wasn't about to risk looking... *shudder*...) Anyway, that allowed me the chance to get to the thorazine injection we keep hidden in the toilet tank for such emergencies. Luckily, he had his back to me, and I managed to get the needle in his right butt cheek as he was transitioning from some strange crab pose into a handstand. Then I quickly barricaded myself in the shower until the drug took effect and things got quiet. (By the way, glad we decided to install those reinforced steel frame and ballistic glass doors on the shower stall. Life savers! Phew!)
Oh, as to why his hands are clean, don't get too excited. Once Cog was finally zonked out and things calmed down, I noticed strange writing and pictures on the walls drawn with a brown paste substance.... and then the smell kicked in... *gag*... So I carefully hauled Cog over to the shower and hosed him down. Didn't want him touching things with those nasty hands when he regained consciousness. Oh, and I'm definitely gonna have to replace my arm floatie. Poor little guy never had a chance. His sacrifice will not be forgotten... *hanging head in sorrow*... *sound of "Taps" playing in the background*...
Whoaaa! What in the hell just happened!!! *eye's bleary - looking around - realizing I am lying in a wet puddle on the kitchen floor.* Last thing I remember I was trying to clean my bathroom. I remember Old Man showing up on his bike and begging to use it. I said "Okay." And then he thanked me as he left the house. I watched his little yellow raincoat push its way up the street on the trike. Then it happened.
Next thing I know is that this stench begins emanating from the bathroom. I walk down the hall and swing the bathroom door all the way open. Holy Shit! You could not believe the mess.
Suddenly a yellow blurr whizzez by my head. Of course I thought "ALIEN" and attacked. It had to be an alien or the return of Old Man. Next thing I know, I am lying in a pool of water on the kitchen floor. And wen I went to check out the bathroom, it was clean, The only odor in the air was the stench of fresh .... oil? Is that it? Is it oil? I know I have smelled that before. Is it a clue? HEY! I have oil on my ankles too. Hmmmm .... Universe creating bunnies?
@Hey Tin How long you been raising wombats? Strange hobby if you ask me. But where else you going to get cubes of shit?
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