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@ Cog
I know you are only a chimp but try and keep up between poo flinging sessions willya? Eric the Rainbow Farting Unicorn Who Lives in MY Garage has a best friend who lives in my garden. That is Walter the Purple Wombat who Poops Square Poos.
It's not difficult to understand even for a an uncivilised semi trained poo flinger....Timn Man happened across some of Walters mates leavings ( he runs a Unicorn Party clean up crew) poo and made up some shit( Oh god I didn't mean that, really) and offered it to me as a cure for the Unicorn Pee.
I do not know why we bother explaining stuff to you Cog...we had a choice, Chimp or Bonobo...and I get outvoted 3 to 1 ....
Wellll.... That makes sense then.... Now I know where the wombat poo came from. I thought Tin might be leaking into ice trays or some such foolishness. But as long as we got wombats we got square poo.
@God is AWESOME: Gee you have no idea how sad that makes me. I want to grow up to be a delusional idiot like you so I can run around and tell people what assholes they are for not agreeing with my version of God and condemn them to eternal torture. YOU CALL THAT HAPPINESS? WHAT KIND OF A FUCKING MONSTER ARE YOU?
God is AWESOME "@Cognostic
You’re a very unhappy person. I feel sorry for you."
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@God is UNEVIDNCED
You're troll, who's wasting the only life you'll get indulging in sententious arrogant superstition, I don't feel at all sorry for you.
Guys,
I wanted to let you know, I had a COMPLETELY different experience when it comes to God.
No one forced me, no one made me go to church, and I didn’t feel threatened. I just knew in my heart God was real. No one had to try to convince me. So when I heard he offered eternal life to whoever would believe on His Son, Jesus, I wanted it. I thought nothing trumps and nothing’s more valuable than that. So I began to seek him, read the scriptures, and pray. Did I get all of my prayers answered? NO. I may not have gotten exactly what I wanted, and yes, at times I would get upset and angry, but it didn’t make me turn and hate him, cop an attitude, or walk away.
Some of the times I didn’t get what I wanted, when I look back, I can see something came around later, and often times, something MUCH better than I asked for.
ATTITUDE means a lot. Our attitudes can help us or defeat us. Changing the attitude of the heart can change a life. Many are angry due to unanswered prayer, being hurt by a parent, forced and judged to believe a certain way. I wasn’t forced. I made the choice to believe and not scoff it off. Eternal Life was far too important to forsake. I wanted it. And I went for it.
Does everything seem logical according to this temporary life on earth? No. But through my walk, I began to see him do wonderful things that I KNEW was him. Did I get instantaneously what I wanted? No. Do you think that was going to stop me? No way.
Now if I had been hurt and forced and judged, my experience may well have been different. It may have caused me to rebel and despise being forced. And that would’ve been very painful. Attending church doesn’t save anyone. Believing on His Son is what saves you.
Salvation is FREE, you can’t earn it by your best works. NO ONE is good enough because sin and death were passed onto all mankind due to Adams sin. It makes total sense. Jesus came to defeat death once and for all for whoever would believe. It’s a GIFT and you take it by believing. Then he reveals himself to you. It’s a win, win. A GIFT of eternal life. Scoff at it, or TAKE IT. I chose to take it.
I feel for anyone who’s been deeply hurt, been forced, judged by religious parents, and made feel less than. That would really hurt. I knew a teenage boy who was very angry, a scoffer, and lived in rebellion arguing against his parents daily, a loner who sat in his room with a real attitude. Six months later, he told me he had heart trouble due to his anger. He knew he would die if he didn’t change his attitude. He said the Lord showed him to stop or it would kill him. He became a whole different kid. Patient, kind and caring. He gave up the angry attitude.
Anger can make you very sick and it paints a totally negative view of life. Those who live in anger, cursing, sarcasm and lash out at others are hurting deeply. If I don’t believe in Santa, I’m not going to live my life talking about him. People don’t continue to talk about something they don’t believe in, yet many do. Why even talk about someone who’s not real, day after day. Unless you were deeply hurt and, if so, I understand.
My experience was very different, as was yours. Debating isn’t meant to hurt, it offers a different viewpoint and experience.
@God is AWESOME
Yeah instead your parents, pastor, priest etc, possibly teachers, other family etc talked about it when you were too young to be able to think critically for yourself, then you went to church where they repeated it over and over and over again until it stuck. Then repeated it some more so you learned to never question it, even in discussion with others that know different. Slowly building up an impenetrable armor that even simple reasoning, logic, evidence etc could not possibly hope to pierce. This is also done to keep you to that particular faith instead of crossing over to another.
Of course you wanted that, who would not want eternal life in paradise/heaven? Just like I imagine you would not turn down a million dollars a year for life, for free no strings attached if all you had to do was believe in some story I told you. You know what "trumps" eternal life in heaven? Truth.
Did you get any of your prayers answered at a rate above pure statistical chance? I have had an amazing life, my religious friends would even describe it as "blessed." Yet I never prayed for a damn thing, never believed in god etc.
Fully agree there. There is not all that much in life that you have control over, but your own attitude, is something you do have control over.
And it is super easy, you just choose to believe it. All you gotta do is discard logic, reasoning, common sense etc.
How do you know it was him? Any actual verifiable evidence that wonderful things happened because of "him?"
I don't know for sure what variation of christianity you follow exactly, but most of christianity teaches god is the ultimate judge.
I imagine believing god is also what saves you, cant really believe the son without believing in god.
But you did not actually take anything but words/promises by humans. You took the word of other PEOPLE that god will give you eternal life. Something you know you cannot verify.
Have never heard of a teenager dying from heart trouble due to anger. I suspect we would see a lot of dead teenagers if that was at all a possibility. The lord did not show him anything. The teenager had a thought process that he perhaps attributed to "god" talking to him that may have changed his way. But hey I am all for people letting go of their anger, regardless how it was done this is a healthy thing.
Agree there, except I take I also have learned this: those that are angry are very often times scared. Under the anger is frequently fear, the more angry the more fear. Anger is a sickness one inflicts upon themselves with an easy cure if they let it go. Forgiving others is hard, forgiving yourself, even harder. But it does not have to be.
Agree again. You have plenty of solid insights, keep learning, keep exploring. Dont stop learning, expand your horizons beyond god and learn even more.
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@Logic
You wrote..........Yeah instead your parents, pastor, priest etc, possibly teachers, other family etc talked about it when you were too young to be able to think critically for yourself, then you went to church where they repeated it over and over and over again until it stuck.
NOPE, I didn’t say that. You made that story up. I sought Him on my own.
Why tell others to keep learning when you won’t learn for yourself?
God said He gives eternal life to whosoever believes in Jesus. Opinions, presumptions, reasonings, and clever ramblings aren’t going to change His perfect plan.
You either believe or you don’t.
He’s not looking for worldly scholars and scientists to judge if what he said is true. He’s looking for those with a heart who will believe Him.
@ GiA
More guff covered in bullshit and served with a side of idiocy.
"god (jesus) said he gives eternal life to whoever believes in jesus(god)" Presumably the holy ghostly penis is included there somewhere?
Either way it is utterly circular and can be dismissed as all unevidenced claims can be dismissed.
There is no evidence at all for the existence of either your god, the jesus figure as described in the gospels, or the holy ghostly penis.
The only thing you can possibly argue is personal revelation. That aint evidence. So quit the preaching, keep your faith in your pocket as you are just looking foolish repeating nonsensical claims.
You don't have a clue about the origins of your faith, and you won't listen to those that do.
How do you know this?...and BTW sunshine, that is not the function of a human heart. Sheesh....there's one born every minute. See what I mean about looking foolish? Get a grip, child.
@OldMan
If you can’t debate without cursing and talking about sexual body parts, be wise and be quiet. I am not interested in hearing your vulgarity. Please stop it.
@ GiA
You came here spreading your asinine dung flavoured idiocy you call your faith. Don't you fucking dare try and tell me how to write a reply to your frivolous, uneducated claptrap.
Haven't you got the message? No one on these boards seems interested in your personal religious fantasy? You have failed to provide any proof of any of your assertions. Unsurprising for a delusional liar.
If you are offended then, oh dear, go wipe your fucking offended eyeballs with some fake teardrops. Mind, I still will not take seriously an obvious pious wank bucket like you seem to be with every moronic post you make.
Only you have the power to be offended by something, as I said before I find it greatly offensive that you try and defend that pile of racist, cruel, misogynistic, homophobic shit you call the bible.
so be wise and be quiet. Not interested in hearing your fraudulent testimony.
@OldMan
Jesus IS and always will be.
No amount of ugliness and hatred can change that.
I suggest you find another room and stay out of debate forums if you feel the need to lose control, curse, degrade and hate others.
@ GiA
Again don't you fucking dare tell me what and where and how to reply to you or anyone else. You came here uninvited to spread a dishonest pack of lies.
Inane, unevidenced claim without foundation.
There is no contemporary evidence for the Jesus figure as described in the gospels. Prove me wrong.,
You keep ducking that simple request. You keep lying.
Get with the fucking plan Sam and get some honesty between your ears. See, I don't hate you even if you are deluded fool. I have great compassion for your attempts to seem more important than you really are. I will do you the biggest favour of your life by telling you exactly what I think of your rabid maunderings. Ain't no happy clappers here yelling "amen" to your tall stories.
I do not believe a word you type about your jesus, and your "experiences" Guff, balderdash and wishful thinking. You have no evidence for a single thing you have written in these forums.
You don't debate; you make long strings of unproven hyperbole and false statements. That is not debating.
You don't answer when direct questions are posed to you. That is dishonest.
You claim "offence" when your idiocy is called out for what it is.
Tough titties, marshmallow boy. Answer some questions instead of the crocodile tears.
Ignore @OldMan
@ GIA
Typical theist. Going gets tough and off they run.
No questions answered. Not surprising.
Not even a titchy demon exorcised....not even a new argument, just claim after ridiculous claim with never a jot or tittle of evidence in sight.
Fucking sad I reckon.
@OldMan
I still love ya. It’s just hard to keep being cursed at. If I get mad, I get over it. Have a sweet nights sleep.
Hug
GiA,
Old Man’s use of words like ‘fuck’ is perfectly acceptable. He does not need to stay quiet nor does he need to leave the forum if he doesn’t say things you find agreeable. You said you do not like to read posts like that. The fix is quite easy, don’t read them.
There are two moderators in these forums and we will deal with anyone we determine has stepped over the line. You don’t need to do so for us.
@CyberLN
It is not okay for people to curse, use vulgar language, and talk about sexual body parts spoken in a vulgar way to me, as your rules state on the forum. And it is my right to ask someone to refrain from doing it.
No one is trying to take your place as a mediator. I was simply asking him to refrain from cursing and vulgarities toward me, as I did last night when another became sexually graphic in his posts to me, but I after I asked him to stop, I noticed the room was deleted.
There are NO RULES against cursing, vulgar language, or discussing any body parts.
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I'm skeptical of that statement.
@ Nyar
And quite rightly too Nyar. It was not deleted it was moved to a more appropriate area, in the forums section.
http://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/debate-room/links-help-newcomers-o...
I think that about wraps up the game doesn't it? Whole team batted...no score, not even a hit!
Nyarlathotep
The website does say no Sexist comments and No Bullying. Just as yesterday I saw Cognostic in the Site Help forum titled something like Respecting Others and it had a video on it. There were maybe only three posts. I asked him not to speak so vulgar to me and stated examples of some of the aggressive and sexual things he said. This morning I noticed that forum had been deleted.
I would consider cussing at me and telling me what hes doing with his pen**, using it as a rod and by swinging it in the air like a sausage, thrusting his hips, etc, both Sexual and Bullying. Actually, please remove me from this forum. I came on the forum to tell others there is hope in God, If you allow that type of behavior on a forum, and you don’t mind being spoken to in that manner yourself, that’s your business. Then the moderator tells me I have no right to stand up for myself. That doesn’t work for me.
@ GIA
You came to proselytise. You came armed with untruths and specious nonsense. You got called out.
You made unevidenced claims, dodged straight questions and then complained when your weak assertions were ridiculed.
You debated nothing but wrote a stream of false anecdotes...aka lies. You still wonder why we lost patience with your childish nonsense.
I am truly sorry you are offended, it just shows your immaturity and inability to reason.
Having said all that you would do well to stay and ask some questions instead of being intent on peddling your discredited rubbish.
IF you do not want to take the road to some critical thinking and actual history, then Don't let the door hit you in the arse as you leave.
@God is AWESOME
Right, no sexists comments. Sexists ≠ sexual. I've seen no sexists comments directed at you. If you feel they have been please provide an link to the actual post, and provide a quote. Note: a comment that involves sex is not necessarly a sexists comment. If you don't know the different, I suggest looking up both words.
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The thread you claim was deleted still exists. Old man shouts already explained this to you, and provided a link where you could find it.
@ God Ain't Nothing
Here is something I have always been saying on these forums.
I also saw that “Old Man shouts at clouds” (his actual ScreenName) has said the same thing to you at least three times.
Just be glad I was not here when this thread was first started. If you think Old Man and Cognostic offended you, then you ain't seen nothing.
Ask the others here how offensive other theists have claimed I have been. Ever heard of Christopher Hitchens?
He has said the same thing I have been saying for I forget how long. Although I invented this independently, Christopher Hitchens was first to announce it publicly.
And after the 55+ years of tolerating Religion's discrimination, persecution, bigotry, prejudice, hatred, injustice, oppression, torture, physical abuse, emotional molestation, mental betrayal, psychological terrorism, and literal rape and beating, it has now come time for me to resist.
After all, it is your Golden Rule: “Do unto others as they have done unto you.” Or, is it, “Do unto others before they can do unto you.”?
However, since I did miss the beginnings of this thread. I see the others have sufficiently thrashed your ass for me. And they were MUCH nicer than I would have been.
Fallen @ AR: “Religion is a product of the imagination that was created to compensate for our primitive ignorance (ig•nur•uns), needing deliberate ignorance (ig•nor•uns) to survive in a reality that doesn’t need it anymore.”
“Wish in one hand (religion) and do something with the other (science). Squeeze both hands real hard and see which one comes true.” — Prince Corwin, Chronicles of Amber
Q: What is the Basic Message of the Bible?
A (Arakish): “All you low life primates are to kneel, kiss my ass, and beg forgiveness for the fucked up mistake I made. You are to obey my commandments, doing as I say, not as I do.” Thus, sayeth the Lord YHWH.
That about sums it up.
rmfr
@ God is AWESOME
Why not pray to Jesus to sort it out.
@God-Awfu-..(Grrrr...)... God-Awesome Re: Vulgar language and body parts
Son...of...a.... BITCH!...*throwing hat down and kicking it across room*... GIA, you just step back and hold on to your pretty little knickers there, young lady. I've got this shit...
Alright! Which one of you asshole cocksuckers has been saying all kinds of nasty shit to GIA? What the hell kind of place do you think this is, you sorry fuckers?!? Now, I don't give a DAMN if you think it is all cute and funny, because you sorry bastards better put a stop to all the fucking obscenities A.S.A.P. or there will be HELL to pay! I ain't shittin', either!.... *walking over to corner of room and picking up hat*.... *mumbling to self*... (Fuck me sideways running naked through a brier patch.... The nerve of some of these assholes....)... *shaking head in disgust*....
Okay, there ya go, little lady. That should set those godless heathens straight. You just let me know if anybody else gives you any more trouble... *tipping hat politely*...
@ TM
Captain Cat forgives you for making me laugh.....don't worry the claw marks will heal............. Eventually.
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God Ain't Nothing: "I still love ya. It’s just hard to keep being cursed at. If I get mad, I get over it. Have a sweet nights sleep. Hug"
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Now she is threatening Old Man. Ain't there a forum rule about threatening other members?
Love from any theist is literally a threat of violence.
A Hug from any theist is literally physical assault.
rmfr
God Ain't Nothing: "Ignore @OldMan"
Damn Old Man!
You got one the greatest trophies from a theist any of us can get.
I am jealous.
rmfr
@God is Awesome
Are you saying your parents did not talk about god around you when you were little? Not even the rest of your family and friends? Saying you never went to church as a child?
Color me highly! skeptical.
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