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@ Student 97
No expert on this, but I do know that many interpolations and rewritings of the texts describing the jesus character were done in the Second century and Third century and particularly referenced vague 'prophecies' of the Jewish texts. That this is traceable by mistranslations from the greek is a matter of easy research. This was at the time when the early church was desperately trying to establish historical credence.
Forgeries of letters, interpolations in Josephus, Suetonius, and other texts including the synoptic Gospels and John were all done at these times ( and earlier) to try and establish a historical basis for the jesus figure that was coming under scrutiny and challenge by the gnosts and others. These rivalled the Pauline/Roman grip on the early Church and so many forgeries, rewritings, alterations were done to various texts to discredit rival traditions like the Ebionites and Marcionites, Montanists et al, and establish unbroken 'historical' records for the eventual winners.
Go look it up ...then you will get extra credit. I have given you enough clues for you to discover the facts.
If the christian god is loving, why do so many children suffer from diseases?
Student97 "Hey guys, what do y'all think of all the Messianic prophecies Jesus fulfilled? "
You would have to demonstrate some objective evidence these were fulfilled, not just assert it. If you did this you would have something we have no explanation for, nothing can be asserted from not having an explanation, to so is the very definition of an argument from ignorance fallacy. So to recap, you have made some unevidenced claims, and then made an unevidenced assumption about what this means, not very compelling really.
You'd also have to accept such unevidenced from all other religions, so it would get pretty messy.
Ok, I hear that argument. (I have to have this discussion for a class, so humor me) But hypothetically if it were proven as fact that a man today fulfilled a long list of Messianic prophesies that were foretold hundreds of years ago. Again, I understand this is hypothetical, but would you believe that person was who he claimed to be and who the prophecies claimed to be? Or would you just see it as some sort of elaborate hoax or something?
Student, you would be better served starting a new string to ask this.
@Cyber Re: To Student - "Student, you would be better served starting a new string to ask this."
Actually, I believe Student would be better served going back and cursing out his idiot teacher for setting him up for failure.
@Student97
Yeah, I think Tin-Man is right, you've been set up for failure. But making new thread is a good idea, I'll reply there when you make it.
LOL...so true. The blind leading the blind...LOL
"Ok, I hear that argument. (I have to have this discussion for a class, so humor me) But hypothetically if it were proven as fact that a man today fulfilled a long list of Messianic prophesies that were foretold hundreds of years ago. Again, I understand this is hypothetical, but would you believe that person was who he claimed to be and who the prophecies claimed to be? Or would you just see it as some sort of elaborate hoax or something?"
Something cannot be proven as fact and a hoax, but even were the results evidenced beyond any reasonable doubt, this does not evidence any explanation, making assertion because there is "no natural explanation" is an argument from ignorance fallacy, it is also a rather large assumption as not knowing the natural explanation doesn't mean there isn't one, and we know for an objective fact that natural phenomena occur all the time, no objective evidence has ever been demonstrated for anything supernatural occurring.
God Ain't Nothing and Graceless
A challenge I guarantee neither of you are capable of fulfilling. $100 both ignore the questions. Provided they ain't gone running to mommy crying about how us vicious and nasty atheists beat them up.
Answer these questions:
rmfr
ntee neither of you are capable of fulfilling. $100 both ignore the questions. Provided they ain't gone running to mommy crying about how us vicious and nasty atheists beat them up.
Answer these questions:
Why is God so capable of healing the invisible maladies, like cancer and disease, but is so incapable of healing the visible maladies, such as amputees, persons being horribly burned in an accident, etc.?
HE HAS DONE THOSE THINGS BUT U WONT BELIEVE IT.
Further Refinement: Why does it ONLY heal the invisible maladies and NOT the visible ones?
If God is omnipotent, then why is it so afraid of just showing itself and making us atheists eat crow?
TIME WILL TELL.
If God is the epitome of objective morality, then why does it not follow its own morality codes?
HE IS NOT AN IT AND HE DOES.
If God is omnibenevolent, then why is it so horrendously evil?
NOT EVIL. JUST AND RIGHTEOUS.
If God is omniscient, then why does it speak only one language?
SPEAKS ALL LANGUAGES.
If God does exist, then why is there absolutely no compelling evidence of its existence?
DEPENDS ON WHAT CALL COMPELLING EVIDENCE.
What is God’s gender? If it has a gender, why? If it has no gender, why?
MALE.
How do incidents go out of God’s control if it is omnipotent, and well aware of everything that has happened and will happen?
NOTHING IS OUT OF HIS CONTROL.
Why are there so many flaws in God’s creation if it is omnipotent?
SIN MADE THE EARTH AND INHABITANTS FALLEN.
Of this incredibly vast universe, why is God so damned interested in us puny humans?
GOOD QUESTION. I OFTEN ASK MYSELF THE SAME THING. :)
If God is only love and good, then why does it become so angry and hateful?
AGAIN, NOT AN IT AND ONLY GETS RIGHTEOUSLY ANGRY.
Why is God such a voyeur? WEIRD QUESTION.
Why do most of God’s believers tend to have a lower education level than those whose do not believe?
IS THAT AN OPINION?
If God is supposed to be all-loving, then why would it create a place of eternal torment and torture?
SIN MUST BE DEALT WITH.
Why does God have the traits of a tyrranical totalitarian despot?
SO YOU SAY.
If the Theory of Evolution is wrong, then why did God put the vestiges of evolution in the human body and DNA?
HE DOES MOST EVERYTHING IN A NATURAL WAY.
Why did God put a great many dinosaurs on the planet, yet did not mention them in any of the scriptures?
THEY ACTUALLY HAPPENED AS A MORPH OF LUCIFERS DOING. THATS PART OF THE REASON HE FLOODED THE EARTH.
If God created this vast universe with billions and billions of other planets which may have life, some possibly as advanced as we are, why is it only interested in us lowly primitive primates?
HOW DO YOU KNOW HE ISNT INTERESTED IN THEM?
If God “fine-tuned” this universe for life, then why is almost none of it able to support life?
MOST OF IT IS. YOU COULDNT DESTROY THE PLANET IF U TRIED.
Why would God create pigs, shellfish, and dogs if it hates them so much?
HE DEOSNT HATE THEM, HE HAS JUST DEEMED THEM AS UNCLEAN.
Why did God create billions of species that are extinct today, if it intended to allow them to go extinct?
WHY DID HE CREATE HUMANS IF ALL WE DO IS DIE. SAME GIST.
If the Theory of Evolution is wrong, then why did God make so much evidence for that Theory?
U CALL IT EVIDENCE. I DO NOT.
Why do God’s scriptures have serious scientific and logical fallacies?
AGAIN, SO U SAY.
Why do God’s scriptures need human interpretors while it said that the scriptures are precise and easily understandable?
JESUS SAID THAT PARABLES ARE ONLY FOR DEEPER KNOWLEDGE BUT SALVATION IS EASILY UNDERSTANDABLE FOR ALL.
Why does God, in the scriptures, sound like nothing but a self-centered narcissistic and megalomanical psychotic sociopath?
UM. HE IS GOD.
If everything needs a reason to exist, what is God’s reason to exist?
HE HAS NEVER TOLD ME THAT.
Why did God forbid Adam to eat the "fruit" when it already knew that Adam would eat the fruit?
GREAT QUESTION! HE HAD A PLAN.
Why is God jealous and angry over the other gods if they do not exist?
HE ALONE DESERVES WORSHIP.
Why does God name itself “Jealous?” (Exodus 34:14 For you shall worship no other god; for Yahweh, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.)
IF YOUR HUSBAND/WIFE TOOK ANOTHER, WOULDNT U BE?
Why does God punish humans for their actions when God has already predestined those actions?
HE DID NOT PREDESTINE THEM.
How could humans be able to abolish slavery while God could not?
HUMANS CANNOT. GOD CAN DO ANYTHING.
Why does God despise women so much when they are the only ones who can bear children to perpetuate the species?
HE DOES NOT DESPISE WOMEN.
Why does God promise to destroy the planet instead of promising to save it?
THERE WILL BE A NEW HEAVEN AND NEW EARTH
Why is there so many unanswered questions around the concept of God?
BEATS MY QUEENS.
Why are religious holy books so worthless for answering these questions?
WORTHLESS TO YOU. PRECIOUS TO ME.
How do you trust a god who has already flooded the world, killed millions by his own hand, allowed countless atrocities, and you trust him to forgive you of your sins just for asking?
THATS WHAT HIS WORD SAYS. LISTEN, IF U WERE GOD, YOU COULD MAKE UR OWN RULES. HES GOD. HE GETS TO CALL THE SHOTS.
Why does God choose as its most vocal advocates, a range of charlatans, crooks, eccentric pranksters, vampiric money hoarder, and foolish liars?
THAT IS SOMETHING I AM ASHAMED OF. IN ANY GARDEN THERE ARE ALWAYS WEEDS, PESTS AND THORNS. MAKES ME SICK.
Did god make Adam from clay or dirt? Why did god make Eve from Adam's rib? Why do all fetuses inherently start out as female?
CLAY OR DIRT MATTERS NOT. BCUZ SHE CAME FROM HIM. THE FETUS THING ... CUZ WOMEN RULE!!!
And why are all females so evil in its eyes?
NOT. DOZENS OF GOOD WOMEN IN HIS EYES. MILLIONS. MAYBE BILLIONS.
Why do all Religious Absolutists give answers that are vague, obfuscated, not even answers, ambiguous, woo woo, uncertain and unclear, bewildered, obscure, enigmatic, confusing, mysterious, cryptic, unbelievable, unfathomable, unintelligible, … … need I add more? DUNNO
Why is that all Religious Absolutists fail to see the logical fallacy of omniscience versus free will?
THEY ALL DONT.
Why is it humans are capable of bettering themselves, the further and further they get away from the God ideas?
NOT TRUE AT ALL.
Why is it that if a woman gives birth to a boy, she will be unclean for seven days, but if she has a girl, she is tainted for fourteen days? Are women polluted by childbirth and girl babies are filthier than boys? (Leviticus 12:1-5 — {1} Yahweh spoke to Moses, saying, {2} ‘Speak to the children of Israel, saying, “If a woman conceives, and bears a male child, then she shall be unclean seven days; as in the days of her monthly period she shall be unclean. {3} In the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised. {4} She shall continue in the blood of purification thirty-three days. She shall not touch any holy thing, nor come into the sanctuary, until the days of her purifying are completed. {5} But if she bears a female child, then she shall be unclean fourteen days, as in her period; and she shall continue in the blood of purification sixty-six days.” ’).
NO CLUE.
God has revealed Himself to us in miraculous ways. Really? When? How? Where? What? Why? To whom? Even if your sky faerie exists, any interaction it may have, or had, in this realm would leave OBJECTIVE HARD EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE. Where is it?
If us humans are not "puny," then why are we so easily injured and killed?
GEEZ. HAVE U EVEN READ THE BIBLE EVEN ONCE?
If God is so willing to save us, then why does God act like nothing more than a pure evil totalitarian tyrant requiring us to kneel and bow down and kiss its unholy ass with the greatest threat of eternal damnation and torture and torment for not choosing to believe in it?Where is the “free choice”?
THERE IS FREE CHOICE. JUST LIKE YOU HOPE YOUR KIDS WILL CHOOSE GOOD PATHS, GOD DOES AS WELL.
UM. I GUESS YOU LOSE THE $100 BET. WOULD U LIKE MY HOME ADDRESS SO U KNOW WHER TO SEND THE CHECK?
ACTUALLY, I AM QUITE IMPRESSED THAT YOU HAVE SO MANY QUESTIONS. CLEARLY, YOU PONDER MUCH AND ARE INQUISITIVE. IF U CAN PUT ANY BIAS ASIDE AND JUST ASK GOD TO SHOW HIMSELF TO YOU, HE WILL. THEN U CAN GET YOUR ANSWERS FROM HIM INSTEAD OF ME. GOD BLESS YOU. TRULY, I MEAN THAT. PS: I AM A HORRIBLE SINNER SAVED BY THIS MAN JESUS.
Cheque not check, and you need to demonstrate some objective for your claims, they are simply unevidenced assertions, and thus are meaningless to us. Telling atheists you have experienced things you can demonstrate no objective evidence for is no more compelling than people claiming they swam with mermaids, rode a unicorn, or have been aboard an alien spaceship.
"IF U CAN PUT ANY BIAS ASIDE AND JUST ASK GOD TO SHOW HIMSELF TO YOU, HE WILL."
This not putting bias aside, it's the opposite adopting the biased an unevidenced position a deity exists without any objective evidence, and all theists make these identical claims, they cannot all be right. They could however all be using the same biased and suggestible state of mind that enables unjustified belief in unevidenced superstitions.
"Why is it humans are capable of bettering themselves, the further and further they get away from the God ideas?
NOT TRUE AT ALL."
Actually the claim has some evidence to support it, you should read Society without God: What the Least Religious Nations Can Tell Us About Contentment, by Phil Zuckerman.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0029VCUVK/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=...
@ Graceless
A challenge I guarantee neither of you are capable of fulfilling. $100 both ignore the questions. Provided they ain't gone running to mommy crying about how us vicious and nasty atheists beat them up.
Well, I lost that $100. Party ain't on me this time. See bottom for final grade. Your answers are italicized. There are some notes, but mostly I graded this as I said I would.
Answer these questions:
HE HAS DONE THOSE THINGS BUT U WONT BELIEVE IT.
Where is your evidence?
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TIME WILL TELL.
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HE IS NOT AN IT AND HE DOES.
Yes. Your Illusory Sky Faerie is an IT. Falacious MEN plagiarized the lies in the Bible, thus they gave the Illusory Sky Faerie the masculine pronoun. In actuality, until you Illusory Sky Faerie proves it has a gender, then IT shall always be an IT.
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NOT EVIL. JUST AND RIGHTEOUS.
Evil - a force or spirit or imaginative figment that embodies profoundly immoral and wicked actions and deeds, or associated with such.
Isaiah 45:7
1 Kings 14:9-10
Jeremiah 44:2
Nehemiah 13:17-18
Jeremiah 11:17
Jeremiah 16:10-11
Ezekiel 6:10
Jeremiah 19:3
2 Samuel 12:11
Jeremiah 42:17
Ezekiel 5:15-17
Jeremiah 49:37
Jeremiah 11:11
Job 2:9-10
Job 42:11
Zechariah 8:14
2 Chronicles 34:24-25
1 Kings 21:28-29
Deuteronomy 31:17
Judges 9:23
Amos 3:6
Proverbs 16:4
Lamentations 3:38
Jeremiah 45:4-5
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SPEAKS ALL LANGUAGES.
Then why are there no Bibles in Chinese, Japanese, Mongolian, Gujarati, Bopomofo, Navajo, the list goes on …
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DEPENDS ON WHAT CALL COMPELLING EVIDENCE.
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MALE.
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NOTHING IS OUT OF HIS CONTROL.
Yet devestating earthquakes create monstrous tsunamis killing ¼million people.
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SIN MADE THE EARTH AND INHABITANTS FALLEN.
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GOOD QUESTION. I OFTEN ASK MYSELF THE SAME THING. :)
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AGAIN, NOT AN IT AND ONLY GETS RIGHTEOUSLY ANGRY.
Forever an IT. Offended? So the fuck what!
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WEIRD QUESTION.
Do you know what a voyeur is?
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IS THAT AN OPINION?
It is a Scientific Fact.
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SIN MUST BE DEALT WITH.
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SO YOU SAY.
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HE DOES MOST EVERYTHING IN A NATURAL WAY.
Then IT is not god.
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THEY ACTUALLY HAPPENED AS A MORPH OF LUCIFERS DOING. THATS PART OF THE REASON HE FLOODED THE EARTH.
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HOW DO YOU KNOW HE ISNT INTERESTED IN THEM?
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MOST OF IT IS. YOU COULDNT DESTROY THE PLANET IF U TRIED.
Q: Why is almost none of the universe able to support life? A: Most of it is. Yet, as far as we know, Earth is the only inhabitable speck of microscopic dust in this incredibly vast universe able to support life. This means, as far as we know,
99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the universe is incapable of supporting life.
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HE DEOSNT HATE THEM, HE HAS JUST DEEMED THEM AS UNCLEAN.
Meaning it hates them. You never explained why they are considered unclean.
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WHY DID HE CREATE HUMANS IF ALL WE DO IS DIE? SAME GIST.
What exactly does Geographic Information Science Technology have to do with your answer?
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U CALL IT EVIDENCE. I DO NOT.
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AGAIN, SO U SAY.
The entire Bible is nothing more than one big gigantic miasma of fallacies.
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JESUS SAID THAT PARABLES ARE ONLY FOR DEEPER KNOWLEDGE BUT SALVATION IS EASILY UNDERSTANDABLE FOR ALL.
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UM. HE IS GOD.
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HE HAS NEVER TOLD ME THAT.
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GREAT QUESTION! HE HAD A PLAN.
Then what was the plan?
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HE ALONE DESERVES WORSHIP.
Really? Really? When your Illusory Sky Faerie has been described as: “The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction; jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving, control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.” — Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion.
Does not sound very worthy to me.
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IF YOUR HUSBAND/WIFE TOOK ANOTHER, WOULDNT U BE?
If I was dead. No! I'd rather she did find someone else.
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HE DID NOT PREDESTINE THEM.
Then IT ain't a god.
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HUMANS CANNOT. GOD CAN DO ANYTHING.
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HE DOES NOT DESPISE WOMEN.
Misogynistic - a person who dislikes, despises, or is strongly prejudiced against women.
Genesis 3:16
Exodus 20:17
Exodus 21:7
Exodus 22:29-31
Exodus 23:17
Leviticus 6:14-18
Leviticus 12:1-5
Leviticus 27:1-7
Numbers 3:15,28
Numbers 5:15-31
Numbers 30:1-8,16
Numbers 31:17-18
Numbers 31:25-35
Numbers 36:8-12
Deuteronomy 22:20-21
Deuteronomy 24:1-4
Judges 1:12-13
Judges 5:30
Judges 8:30-31
2 Samuel 12:11
Job 14:1-4
Job 25:4
Isaiah 19:16
Jeremiah 8:9-10
Lamentations 1:8-9
Ezekiel 36:16-17
Hosea 9:1
Nahum 3:4-6
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THERE WILL BE A NEW HEAVEN AND NEW EARTH
In billions of years, maybe.
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BEATS MY QUEENS.
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WORTHLESS TO YOU. PRECIOUS TO ME.
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THATS WHAT HIS WORD SAYS. LISTEN, IF U WERE GOD, YOU COULD MAKE UR OWN RULES. HES GOD. HE GETS TO CALL THE SHOTS.
Ethnic Cleanser - the mass expulsion or killing of members of an unwanted ethnic or religious group in a society.
Exodus 21:15
Exodus 22:20
Exodus 23:23-24,33
Exodus 32:27-29
Exodus 34:11-13
Leviticus 20:10
Leviticus 21:9
Leviticus 24:13-16
Leviticus 26:21-22
Leviticus 26:30-31
Numbers 1:51
Numbers 21:2-3
Numbers 25:4-5
Numbers 31:9-10
Numbers 33:50-53
Numbers 33:52-53
Deuteronomy 12:2-3
Deuteronomy 13:12-16
Deuteronomy 13:12-16
Deuteronomy 17:12
Deuteronomy 18:20
Deuteronomy 22:20-21
Deuteronomy 7:1-2
Deuteronomy 7:21-25
Joshua 11:21-22
Joshua 8:28
Judges 2:2
1 Samuel 15:3
1 Kings 18:39-40
2 Kings 19:35
2 Chronicles 14:2-5
2 Chronicles 15:13
2 Chronicles 28:9
2 Chronicles 34:1-7
Nehemiah 13:1-3
Esther 9:13-17
Esther 9:5-6
Isaiah 34:5-7
Jeremiah 49:2
Jeremiah 50:18-27
Jeremiah 51:20-23
Lamentations 2:17-22
Ezekiel 35:7-8
Ezekiel 5:11-16
Ezekiel 6:13-14
Ezekiel 9:4-6
Hosea 13:4-9
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THAT IS SOMETHING I AM ASHAMED OF. IN ANY GARDEN THERE ARE ALWAYS WEEDS, PESTS AND THORNS. MAKES ME SICK.
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CLAY OR DIRT MATTERS NOT. BCUZ SHE CAME FROM HIM. THE FETUS THING ... CUZ WOMEN RULE!!! NOT. DOZENS OF GOOD WOMEN IN HIS EYES. MILLIONS. MAYBE BILLIONS.
Unjust - not based on or behaving according to what is morally right and fair.
Genesis 19:26
Genesis 20:18
Exodus 11:4-6
Exodus 12:29
Exodus 21:16
Exodus 21:17
Exodus 21:20-21
Exodus 22:20
Exodus 30:14-15
Exodus 34:6-7
Leviticus 20:15-16
Leviticus 21:16-23
Leviticus 26:21,28
Numbers 14:18
Deuteronomy 5:9
Deuteronomy 23:2
Judges 21:6-23
1 Samuel 2:30-34
1 Samuel 25:5-39
2 Samuel 12:11
2 Samuel 12:13-14
2 Samuel 21:4-14
1 Kings 14:9-12
1 Kings 21:28-29
2 Kings 7:19-20
2 Kings 17:25
2 Chronicles 15:13
2 Chronicles 26:19-21
Psalm 78:21-22
Psalm 78:31
Proverbs 30:17
Isaiah 13:11-16
Isaiah 14:21
Jeremiah 5:12-14
Jeremiah 8:9-10
Jeremiah 16:10-11
Jeremiah 29:18-19
Jeremiah 29:31-32
Jeremiah 32:18
Ezekiel 14:9
Ezekiel 18:24-26
Ezekiel 20:25-26
Ezekiel 21:3-5
Ezekiel 23:46-47
Ezekiel 33:12-13
Hosea 2:4-5
Hosea 13:16
Joel 3:8
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DUNNO
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THEY ALL DONT.
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NOT TRUE AT ALL.
It is a KNOWN fact that the more secular the society, the better it is.
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NO CLUE.
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GEEZ. HAVE U EVEN READ THE BIBLE EVEN ONCE?
Probably more times than you have.
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THERE IS FREE CHOICE. JUST LIKE YOU HOPE YOUR KIDS WILL CHOOSE GOOD PATHS, GOD DOES AS WELL.
There is NO FREE CHOICE when your malevolent bloodthirsty devil hangs the threat of eternal torment and torture. That is nothing but totalitarian oppression.
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Sorry. But the bet was with me bros: Old Man, Tin-Man, Cognostic, David, Sheldon, LogicFTW, etc., etc.
So you lose.
Believe it or not, that is NOT ALL of them. I have added many, many more to the ODT file that I keep. These were just from the TXT file.
Of course I do. I am a scientist. Been one since I was 3yr old and taught myself how to read. Me mom tried using the Bible to teach me to read, and even at that young age I already knew the Bible was nothing more than faerie tales exactly like Mother Goose, Æsop's Fables, The Tales of the Brothers Grimm, HP Lovecraft, Arthur C. Clarke, Edgar Allen Poe, I had read by the time I was 5yr old.
I have no bias except when it comes to complete moronic stupidity. I have no bigotry except against spiteful bigots.
I fail to see how preposterous claims can be any form of evidence.
CyberLN, Nyarlathotep:
There it is. She is threatening me with violence and eternal torment and torture. Aren't there Forum Guidelines that prohibit violence and threats?
Sorry, Graceless, to me, that is worst form of threat and violence. You need to apolgize, else I shall have file a protest and get you banished.
See, she truly means her threats and violence.
I am a glorious atheist saved by science.
rmfr
Grace,
"Why does God despise women so much when they are the only ones who can bear children to perpetuate the species?
HE DOES NOT DESPISE WOMEN."
As it says in Ecclesiastes 7:27-28 (ERV) = "27-28 The Teacher says, “I added all this together to see what answer I could find. I am still looking for answers, but I did find this: I found one good man in a thousand. But I did not find even one good woman."
@ Grace
You would barely get a D- with those answers.
Shows you did no research. Shows you just copied from your influencers...and not in a good way.
Really folks....eight pages of unsubstantiated horseshit. WTF. Let's move on. At this point, it's like trying to use reason, with someone that doesn't know what reason is. Pointless recourse with the deluded, and his foot covering friends.
Can we have a rule, no proselytizing. When these people come on here with the simple purpose of witnessing and telling us their magical story and NOT TO ENGAGE IN ANY REALISTIC DISCUSSION. WHAT'S THE POINT?
I think a rule like that would effectively eliminate just about every theist who comes here, with the possible exception of the "I'm doing an assignment" ones.
@Nyar Re: "I think a rule like that would effectively eliminate just about every theist who comes here."
Yep. And then tedious boredom would quickly follow. Hell, let them continue to yammer. No harm, no foul. Plus, cheap entertainment is hard to find... *chuckle*...
Why, because the Truth sends you into oblivion?
Ahhhhhh that warming and familiar sound of a theist failing at reason...how comforting.
Any objective evidence of your god yet? No, I didn't think so.
Now light a few candles and relax, and go bath in your irrational delusion.
@Grace
Dinosaurs were not Satanic creations! Does that mean snakes are as well? Who made sin? If god made man, who made sin? You live in a world of delusional thoughts. You cover up bullshit with more bullshit! I have seen this practice my whole life! If the world, and it’s occupants are so fucked up, do you know whose fault that is according to you? Your worthless,bullshit god.
@Grace
You fucking contradict yourself in your above rambling. You say god had plans for Adam , but then you say our lives are not pre determined. It doesn’t work both ways sister. If your god was all that you claim, he could have made a sin free world and kept it that way! If god is so powerful, and the devil is his bitch, why don’t he destroy him right now? You make no sense whatsoever! To bad someone fucked you up with this brainwashing garbage.
According to your mythology, god made sin:
Not that your rude post deserves an answer but God foreknew what Adam would do. He didnt make him do anything, genius.
You mean the god that has zero evidence of existence? Speaking of him, It is from excellent authority that god likes masturbating to national geographic films about apes, while listening to Joel Osteen sermons.
https://youtu.be/RVzeojdXbpQ
Kent Hovind is your evidence that god exists. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha..spurt, chortle, gasp...cough...gasp...fart...Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...too much...my sides are hurting...can't...catch...breath... ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...this guy hangs his whole belief system on Kent Bovine...Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...ugh, gasp grabs chest.........................................This is doG's wife, I am sorry to announce he died laughing. Wait a sec...this guy thinks that Kent Bovine proves gods existence...chuckle...chortle... ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...cough...gasp, grabs chest.......................
Prove love exists. Don’t show me the outcome of it or a symptom of it. Show me love itself. Can i hold it, weigh it, see it? Nope. But it does exist. Checkmate.
LOL...you are so deluded. Your lack of knowledge is obviously retarded by your confirmation bias. Too bad for you.
A humans brain and lymphatic system naturally reacts to certain stimulus by initiating more serotonin, dopamine and endorphins to increase feelings of well being, pleasure and reducing pain. Biologically measurable and scientifically validated.
Checkmate? LOL...you don't even know how to play chess...checkers is your game, and I just jumped all your pieces in one go. LOL
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