GOD is VERY REAL

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LogicFTW's picture
@Grace

@Grace

Prove love exists. Don’t show me the outcome of it or a symptom of it. Show me love itself. Can i hold it, weigh it, see it? Nope. But it does exist. Checkmate.

Of course we cannot prove "love" the concept exist, except that the concept goes away when the person's brain ceases to function. You may think "checkmate" atheist, but actually what you do not realize is you just checkmated yourself. Love only exist as a human concept inside a human's brain. It is a word, a thought expression.

God is an idea, not a real thing, just like love. You cannot prove god exist except as a concept. So yes, indeed, checkmate, but checkmate theist.

You get so turned around twisting yourself in a pretzel trying to rationalize the completely insane idea of god you do not realize your statements end up getting so twisted around that your arguments actually just confirm that god it self is simply a concept, an idea, that would simply not exist outside of the human mind.

 
 

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Sheldon's picture
"Prove love exists."

"Prove love exists."

No need I don't care whether anyone believes this emotion is real or not. Nor do I try tell people how they should live their lives because of it.

You came here to proselytise your beliefs, you are making claims, so you have to demonstrate sufficient objective evidence for those beliefs, or the atheists here won't believe they are real. No one has tracked you down to insist you believe love is real.

arakish's picture
@ Graceless

@ Graceless

"Prove love exists. Don’t show me the outcome of it or a symptom of it. Show me love itself. Can i hold it, weigh it, see it? Nope. But it does exist. Checkmate."

Yes you can hold it.

Yes you can weigh it.

Yes you can see it.

It is sad that you cannot.

Checkfuckingmate.

rmfr

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Sheldon's picture
Wed, 04/24/2019 - 08:41

Wed, 04/24/2019 - 08:41
Grace "God foreknew what Adam would do."

Wed, 04/24/2019 - 04:59
Grace "THERE IS FREE CHOICE."

Those are mutually exclusive claims.

NewSkeptic's picture
My favorite apologetics right

My favorite apologetics right there. Just because God knows what you are going to choose doesn't mean it is predestined because you have freewill, right.

So, in your example, there was no coercion on Adam, he obviously could have chosen not to eat the apple, right. His choice. Then God's foreknowledge just would have been wrong. Oh, wait a minute, God can't be wrong.

Ok, try this. If Adam hadn't eaten the apple, then God would have had foreknowledge that he wouldn't eat the apple. So it would have been God's plan not to bring death into the world. Therefore, Adam's freewill trumps God's plan, Adam had the power to change that plan. Yeah, that's it.

Up To My Neck's picture
Shove it up your ass! You

Shove it up your ass! You said god foreknew what Adam would do! Then why the fuck did he allow it? He set him up, is that what you are saying? You are a rude dumbass! Shove your stupid god and Jesus up your ass! If god allows sin, then he is evil! Fucking idiot!

Vickie's picture
Hello Pot, It’s the kettle.

Hello Pot, It’s the kettle. You’re black.

dogalmighty's picture
LOL...you fail at reason

LOL...you fail at reason again. You are the one that claims god without objective evidence...not me.

Up To My Neck's picture
Hello Jesus, it’s the three

Hello Jesus, it’s the three dick Bigfoot Monster. You’re fake.

Cognostic's picture
And round and round and round

And round and round and round we go......

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dogalmighty's picture
Where it stops, nobody knows.

Where it stops, nobody knows.

Vickie's picture
The fool [1] says in his

The fool [1] says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good.
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The LORD looks down from heaven on the sons of men to see if there are any who understand, any who seek God.
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All have turned aside, they have together become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one.
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Will evildoers never learn-- those who devour my people as men eat bread and who do not call on the LORD?
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There they are, overwhelmed with dread, for God is present in the company of the righteous.

dogalmighty's picture
“It does not do to dwell on

“It does not do to dwell on dreams and forget to live.” —Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone

“The truth. It is a beautiful and terrible thing, and should therefore be treated with caution.” —Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone

“It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities.” —Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets

“Numbing the pain for a while will make it worse when you finally feel it.” —Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire

“One can never have enough sock puppets.” —Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone

Sheldon's picture
@ Grace

@ Grace

“Many religions now come before us with ingratiating smirks and outspread hands, like an unctuous merchant in a bazaar. They offer consolation and solidarity and uplift, competing as they do in a marketplace. But we have a right to remember how barbarically they behaved when they were strong and were making an offer that people could not refuse.”

― Christopher Hitchens, God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything

Sheldon's picture
"The fool [1] says in his

"The fool [1] says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good"

A fairly arrogant and contemptuous lie, I must say. There are many atheists throughout human history who show admirable moral rectitude. Indeed there is a large body of research that shows in the US atheists are more moral on the whole than theists. Especially in regards to violent crimes like murder and rape.

I have also yet to meet a theist who could offer a cogent explanation of why they think their religion can be cited as any kind of moral doctrine.

Either we know independently of their holy book what is and is not moral, and thus don't need religion. Or we have no way of differentiating what is moral from what is not, and religious diktat might just as easily be shockingly evil, and they'd never know.

Both bible and Koran offer more than enough evidence of their respective deities indulging and condoning behaviours that are demonstrably evil, by any objective standard humans set for moral behaviour.

Cognostic's picture
@MODS? Seriously, there is

@MODS? Seriously, there is no conversation here, just proselytizing BS. "Hey lets go the the Atheist site and witness until they all puke." Witnessing is not debating. Witnessing is not having a conversation. Quoting the bible is not communicating in any way.

Sapporo's picture
Grace: The fool [1] says in

Grace: The fool [1] says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good.

A good example that proves the bible to be false. The world's most significant humanitarians have been atheists or agnostic.

Vickie's picture
If u don’t believe in God

If u don’t believe in God then why do you talk about the lack of His existence constantly?

dogalmighty's picture
Because it saddens me that so

Because it saddens me that so many of our species fail so miserably at reason...just like you.

LogicFTW's picture
We are talking about god

@Grace

If u don’t believe in God then why do you talk about the lack of His existence constantly?

We are talking about god because you came here, to an atheist debate board bringing god up (and trying, amusingly to somehow prove god even though you know there is zero real evidence of an actual god, but a mountain of evidence that man made up god.

CyberLN's picture
Grace, how is it you know doG

Grace, how is it you know doG talks about god(s) constantly? You have seen a few dozen posts in one corner of the Internet. That hardly constitutes ‘constant’ chatter.

Tin-Man's picture
@Cyber Re: "Grace, how is it

@Cyber Re: "Grace, how is it you know doG talks about god(s) constantly?"

...*rubbing back of neck while avoiding gazes*... Ummmm... Yeah.... About that... Hmmm... Uh, I really didn't want to say anything, but there may be some truth to doG's constant god talk... *staring at feet and kicking at the dirt*... Ya see, uh, whatta happened was, uh, I happened to be in doG's neighborhood many nights ago, and I somehow accidently bugged the window near his bedroom.... *hands in pockets*... *tense*... *rocking foot-to-foot*... And, well, there DOES seem to be a whole bunch of "god talk" happening in there every night. I've recor-... I mean, I've heard all kinds of yelling and stuff like, "Oh, god! Oh, god! Don't stop!" And even things like, "Jesus Christ almighty!" repeated over and over again. Sometimes it goes on for hours like some type of prayer meeting. Although, oddly enough, most of the time it lasts for only a few seconds... *scratching head*... Uh, anyway, just seemed only fair to mention this. And, uh, sorry, doG. I've been meaning to tell you about the bug, but I was embarrassed. It was an accident, I promise. Just out of curiosity, though, what does the number 69 have to do with god? I always thought the ultimate religious number was 666.

dogalmighty's picture
Ahhh ha. My wife and I heard

Ahhh ha. My wife and I heard some repetitive metallic squeaking outside our bedroom window the other night...we stopped and looked outside, and all we saw was a puddle of 10W40...it all makes sense now.

Sheldon's picture
This old canard, you came to

This old canard, you came to us, we didn't seek you out. So implying we're obsessed with your beliefs is pretty dumb.

algebe's picture
@Grace: If u don’t believe in

@Grace: If u don’t believe in God then why do you talk about the lack of His existence constantly?

Because you believers have caused mayhem, horror, and hate and held back human progress for millennia, and because you're still doing it today. If it's not Christians instigating holocausts, Crusades, and inquisitions, it's Muslims on the rampage with holy wars and suicide bombings. Religions have opposed the emancipation of slaves and women. They have supported tyrants and opposed democracy. And religion's greatest crime is the corruption of innocent young minds and bodies.

Religion is dangerous disease that harms both believers and non-believers. Think about what you're doing.

Cognostic's picture
@Grace "The fool [1] says

@Grace "The fool [1] says in his heart, "There is no God."
Just one more reason Jesus is a fucking asshole.

"Matthew 5:22, But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, 'Raca,' is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell."

Jesus, the God of "DO AS I SAY, AND NOT AS I DO."

Vickie's picture
Be careful Cognostic. You

Be careful Cognostic. You have blasphemed the God of all for the last time in my presence. I fear for you for one day you will have to give account of this thread as it is brought to memory. Your mind is reprobate and Satan has captured you for himself. I pray to God that He forgives you. As for me, I am gone you wicked one.

LogicFTW's picture
Oh that's nice, a threat. A

Oh that's nice, a threat. A threat of an eternity of torture and hell. For someone writing stuff on an atheist debate forum, someone you never actually met and you do not even know the name of.

Happily we all know your threat is entirely baseless, but it is nice to see your true colors come out.

Yeah you are so very graceful there "grace."

dogalmighty's picture
Well, how interesting...none

Well, how interesting...none of which is a possibility. A soul is an impossibility in a human body, and for the same reason, prayer is an impossibility as well. So now that these two theistic concepts are debunked, how does your religion work?

Sheldon's picture
If he were real then Jesus

If he were real then Jesus deserves to be blasphemed, he endorsed slavery according to your bible.

The reality is that I no more fear the retribution of your fictional deity from a bronze age superstition, than I fear the wrath of Thor's hammer.

If blasphemy is a crime, it is a victimless crime.

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