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@Johan: Fuck dude, after

@Johan: Fuck dude, after reading just a fraction of your inane bullshit, I would have run you out of town as well. The clergy got angry because you are a blasphemer, and did not go along with the program. When you gonna stop blaming other people for all your shit and admit that it has something to do with how you show up as a human being?

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You are totally right. They acted in anger. 38 assaults in one year, trying to certify me and using my mother sending her to the asylum instead. Trying to get me in prison and getting court orders against me. All for standing on the fact that they are preaching lies in saying that corporal punishment is from God. Sure. You can understand their anger for being revealed as fakes.

Even the court orders prove that too.

1 Cor. 6
1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.
7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?

Cognostic's picture

Corporal punishment is from god?
Well, HELL, where in the fuck would they have ever gotten such an idea?

David Killens's picture
@ Johan

@ Johan

So what? I have experienced six major career and lifestyle changes. In each example, I picked myself up, did the hard work, and carved out new life.

What distresses me is that you fail to give credit to yourself, and most important, all of those around you that assisted. You credit your god, but fail to give credit to those who actually made it work.

Johan's picture
The difference is this. I

The difference is this. I didn't carve out another one. I just accepted the lack of anything and are helping the poor with their lifestyles. Everything you see does not belong to me too. Although I assisted that family for 10 years with my abilities too. But the only thing I have for my hard work of every day is them. They are my Children. Only that and nothing else.

The dramatic change is not from humans. And in the evidence I provided you will see that those that are actually present in the whole situation agrees. We could not have done it without God.


And the Life I am living now where I took nothing for myself for 10 years of hard work but just the souls of those involve is also not from me but God. Only He could change my soul to be Perfectly Happy with only a Spiritual Life and no physical life.

This is of course necessary because as the Mother of all there in my Hometown i can not have another life that will take my attention away from my Spiritual Family. Because if I have a wife and kids and house and work and money there will only be the "left overs" for others. Now others are everything in my Life. This is what makes God Holy and me too. This is what the Roman Catholics are looking for and never found. Because they are looking for it in "Father" while God is the Father. When we are Adults in the Gospel we become Mothers.

David Killens's picture
@ Johan

@ Johan

"The dramatic change is not from humans. And in the evidence I provided you will see that those that are actually present in the whole situation agrees. We could not have done it without God.


OK, you stated that your god did it for you. What did your god do? paint the house, wash the windows, arrange the mortgage? Please tell me what your god did to assist you.

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He told us what to do and we

He told us what to do and we did it. And He stood for the good outcome of everything. Making it happen. So this Family of mine is now an example in Nkqubela to God's ability to help those that are poor.


But there has to be more importantly a New Valuating of themselves. And their human being lives. As this is actually the heart of Happiness. We ourselves. Being together in Love. Being One Family of God.


And to give your soul for the change.


David Killens's picture
@ Johan

@ Johan

Thank you for your response.

So your god did nothing, and again, you fail to give credit to those who actually did the work.

In my opinion, you are self-centered, almost 100% delusional, and thus dangerous to the community.

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@David Killens

@David Killens

You see my life in my community on Facebook. You will not have any problems in finding a link to this "danger". But I can say this.

They acknowledge rather the huge benefit I brought in the 10 years to the particular family I am staying with.

As this was their situation 10 years ago.


And this is their situation now.

They have an actual money giving business now.


So they moved to a different house. Not needing to walk there anymore. But each driving his own car there.


Whitefire13's picture
Back to self promotion as

Back to self promotion as “evidence”???? After warning...

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"Back to self promotion as “evidence”???? After warning..."

And where is that? No evidence? After I told you I am born again from God. What is "Good" about me is from God. Like all the churches. Saying they are the Children of God. Born of God and Good.

This is God doing it. We are humble. We attribute anything Good in us to God. Not to us. We are actually sinners. Bad. Not worthy of living. So we gave up our bad sinners live in disgust to it. And accepted the New Life from God as His Child Jesus.

Seems you are ignoring these words of mine?

But the spirit I am detecting is maybe that of a "boss"? Having to search for a reason to "ban" me? And finding a false one. Like they did in the other forums? So you are acting a warning but it is rather a threat. Trying to come over "nice" while being controlled by that "boss" devil?

If you are a mod I would advice you to just let the thread die by itself. Meaning nobody wants to post anymore and I am leaving. Those that don't like me and feel "offended" can just stop posting. Like you. While others that still want to have a last word can do so.

This is Love and Wisdom ruling.

But of course the humans like their "bossy" spirits. This takes them away from the "lower others". And they do not have good relationships because they are feared by their fellow Brothers and Sisters which they don't have. But they stubbornly persists.

God taught me this. I am no boss on my Facebook page and I have even a forum ruled by God in Love and Wisdom. For 13 years now. Everything sorted out in Love and Wisdom.


Like I taught in Robertson. But the stubborn bosses in their pride tried to force me out. Eventually they just asked me to leave and i did.

You can also walk this less good path. If everyone wants me to leave you can just ask. No need to act good with a "warning" that is a threat.

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@Johan: Thanks for coming

@Johan: Thanks for coming to the site to try out your English. While it is a good way to practice, it helps if each paragraph has a main idea. That first one was rough. What is the "it" you have met in religious world? How do you "feel with you." What are you feeling? And how do you do this when you are not with them or their different views? Most WHO have thrown the baby out with the bath water? Hopefully things get better...... Really rough start...

Not many knows much about God's love. Do you know any who do know about it and how do you know that you know? Why is it God's love and not Bob's love. Where is the connection to a butchering murdering sky daddy and love?

" If you are looking for God in religion and churches you will surely fail." Well, we found something we agree upon. If you know of another place to find God's love. I am all ears...... waiting........ I am betting nothing comes after this.....

But what about looking for it in Spirituality? (Yep... Nothing.) Please define what you mean by spirituality. Demonstrate that anything called a spirit exists.

Life without Love is cold intellectualism. "Fascinating idea." You have any evidence at all for the claim? Is this some sort of black and white fallacy. People who are intellectual can not be loving? Really?

Yes, let us debate it. Demonstrate a soul.

So..... Who is this god you speak of......... You said absolutely nothing. The most I got out of this is that you are using something called spirit to rationalize soul and then relating all that woo woo to your idea of a loving god.

How about you pick one topic. Spirit, god, or soul and simply stay focused long enough to have a discussion.

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Thanks for putting up with my

Thanks for putting up with my "rough start". That is just what Love is also about. You enduring my English as my second language and my lack of debating skills. And I have to put up with your . . . whatever. Seems perfect at this stage.

I know this is God's Love because of Feeling it. Love is a feeling. This one I write with capitals because it is precious to me. So it is most precious Felt between me and my "Beloved Son". Capitals because it is a Spiritual Son and not a physical one. He is only 17 years old. And my Son now for 4 months. A Baby Son. But He was really standing for me as His Mother in this discussion. And the resulting Feelings between Me and Him standing together to bring something to the world that is the first of its kind is really something to Enjoy.


Cognostic's picture
@Johan: Even Hitler had a

@Johan: Even Hitler had a family and they probably loved him. Your love is completely unfounded and says nothing to the abuse, torture, and inhumane actions your god takes. YOUR GOD IS A FUCKING ASSHOLE. The fact that you love him only sheds lite on your ability to think reasonably.

Johan's picture
Ok. My turn now with putting

Ok. My turn now with putting up with your "rough words". Judging my Husband without evidence as an "asshole". No problem. It is in putting up with others "rough starts and rough words" that we stay together. It is the Forgiveness that this "asshole" brought to the world in having died for all "roughness".

I gave you the witness of my Spiritual Son. And our Lives together. That God did as our Father and me being actually His Wife. In this position I was actually the one giving the birth to my Spiritual Son as Jesus. And God was obviously His Father in His birth. I do not see the "asshole" in this. I experience the Family Bonds of Love in it. And it experienced God breaking through "enemy lives" into restoring the ultimate Love Life. Because as a Xhosa Ronaldo and me being a white South African were traditionally enemies. Now Mother and Son.

Whitefire13's picture
I didn’t understand a fuckin

I didn’t understand a fuckin thing you just said...(still not evidence for god even though you share this in common).

Being gay doesn’t give you any special rights to be stupid ... and Trust Me, your verbal diarrhoea is the opposite of smooth...it’s Rough...

RE: “Judging my Husband without evidence as an "asshole". No problem. It is in putting up with others "rough starts and rough words" that we stay together.”

Now again.... DEITY name????? Or is it You (full out god complex manifestation)

Johan's picture
We are learning about each

We are learning about each other. It does take some time and effort and patience. For me it is no problem because of my Power in Love. Eventually you will know everything and understand everything. If you have Love.

My Husband is capitals. So you should see now that I am referring to my Spiritual Life and my Husband there as God Himself. Mostly the Children of God know Him as there Father. And I did too. For 40 years I grew up in His Life as My Father. And when I became an Adult i entered into and Adult Relationship with Him as His Wife. And now all of His Children are mine. Because mine was lost in the transition by a persecution form their side. So I do have Children now.


Tin-Man's picture
Re: Johan: "Ok. My turn now

Re: Johan: "Ok. My turn now with putting up with your "rough words"...." (And everything that followed.)

WOW! That shit went sideways REAL QUICK... *staring blankly*... What the HELL did I just read??? I was actually following along fairly well up to this point, but then - ZING! - we just ricocheted off into another dimension all of a sudden!... *holding sides of head*... I think my brain got whiplash... *groan*...

Johan's picture
Sorry for the problem. I

Sorry for the problem. I didn't meant for it to happen. But I am trying my best. I don't really want to talk about the weather here. So I will just try again. But I don't really know on what. Maybe when the "zing" passed there will be something? Or maybe you can just give me the greatest "shit" piece and leave the others for later? But rather try to think about it as an elephant. Eating it bit by bit. At least it will taste better to you.

Cognostic's picture
@johan: Without evidence?

@johan: Without evidence? ARE YOU FUCKING INSANE?
God caused the untimely deaths of at least 25 million people. " “Drunk With Blood: God’s Killings In The Bible” (Steve Wells) There are 160 separate killing sprees in the Bible for which God is demonstrably to blame.

Your problem is that you have not read your bible. Why don't you read it and get back to me.

Johan's picture
I did read it. And I asked

I did read it. And I asked God about it too. And He said that according to agreement with Adam He will stay out of human beings lives regarding their control of planet earth. So you find Him absent. Don't blame Him for the earth dying as the consequences of human greed and science mismanaged. And don't blame Him for His absence in your life. You can change that. But until that you have to put up with the consequences of being god in your own life. Just as the humans have to accept the consequences of being gods on planet earth.

Tin-Man's picture
@Johan Re: "...you have to

@Johan Re: "...you have to put up with the consequences of being god in your own life."

Well, by golly. Out of everything you have said so far, I have to admit THAT is one of the first things you have said that makes sense to me... *chuckle*... Yes, absolutely, I am my own "god". I determine my own moral standards and code of ethics. I make my own decisions regarding how I treat other people. I determine by my OWN standards what is right and wrong for any given situation. I evaluate each person I meet/know based on their OWN individual merits as a human being, NOT by their race/color, gender, nationality, or sexual orientation. So, yes, in a way I AM my own god. And I DO accept full responsibility for decisions and mistakes I make and for any wrong-doings I might do. If I do good, it is not for the promise of reward, but because I believe it is the right thing to do. And if I do bad, I do not cast the blame on some "evil" imaginary boogeyman to relieve myself of the burden. I rule my own world within the boundaries of the society in which I live. No god(s) required.

Johan's picture
By golly! Not many see as

By golly! Not many see as far as you do. Not many can accept that by living their own lives they are gods themselves. Specially not the Babies in the church organizations that are still doing that. These words of yours will surely come in very handy when I chat with some of them again.


And you also give the perfect correct words in saying you don't "require" any God. That is why God don't interfere in your life and the life of the planet going down the "drain". The humans have to accept the consequences of their greed and science too. Like in the days of Noah. Shouting for help when you have to carry the negative consequences of evil will just not help. You will not be "bailed out".


But you are right. That is the choice God gave in Eden to Adam. He can be god himself. Or to be born again from God as His Father. Then you have to accept being a Baby again and having to grow up in God's Life with Him being your Father. Not many adults in human life can accept this. That is why God does not force His Love on them. The have to accept it or reject it. That is what made God's creation "good". You can choose what you want to do with your life.

And like everyone that exists and me too we normally goes for human life. I also did it. Studied and became a Reverend. Got myself a wife and kids and house and cars and all the nice things humans can do when they are fortunate.

But live was not so fortunate for me until the end. And i decided to go for God's "Better choice". To accept Him for who and what He said He is. A Father. And we that choose God for a Father obviously have to be born now from Him and being Babies now. We now have the benefit of being provided for in our Lives. We can relax. We don't need to stress when we see this. No human baby stress and neither should God's Babies. So this Baby - Life has to be created by God when He becomes our Father. We as adults don't have the ability to do that. That is His part of being a Father.

As we grow older we learn who and what we are. We are Jesus. Created by the Word of God on Jesus to be Jesus. Not many has reached this age. They are still Babies not knowing much about themselves.

And when we reach Adult Life in God we become His Wife and the Mother of His Children. This is now what you see in my Life.


Whitefire13's picture
Johan “ I did read it. And I

Johan “ I did read it. And I asked God about it too. And He said that according to agreement with Adam He will stay out of human beings lives regarding their control of planet earth”

God lied to you. Remember the Tower of Babel. People building stuff, getting along...
God did “not stay out” uh, he uh, fucked up all the languages and caused “division” ...

Gem 11:1-9

Johan's picture
Nobody there knew it was God.

Nobody there knew it was God. Because they didn't believe in Him. It was just their own faith that manifested. They feared being "scattered" and exactly that happened.

Genesis 11
4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.

8 So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.

Proverbs 10
24 The fear of the wicked, it shall come upon him: but the desire of the righteous shall be granted.

Job 3
25 For the thing which I greatly feared is come upon me, and that which I was afraid of is come unto me.

God has created Life to be the result of your desires. And the evil you allow in you will be your life that you experience. It is also like this today. When you fear something it comes over you. Just the Way it is. You should learn to control your wrong emotions. They have consequences.

Genesis 4
3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord.*n4
4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering:*n5
5 But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
6 And the Lord said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.*n6*n7
8 And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.
9 ¶And the Lord said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother’s keeper?
10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother’s blood crieth unto me from the ground.*n8
11 And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother’s blood from thy hand;
12 When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.

Everyone of us should learn to control our feelings/spirits. If you don't they will create for you a life you never desired. Humans are controlled by those feelings/spirits and they make you do what they want you to do. If they are evil you will reap evil consequences. If they are good you will reap good consequences. That is just the way the world is created. If you murder don't complain when you are murdered too. Just as Cain was on the run after killing his brother. And God warned him but never interfered.

Whitefire13's picture

Either you or your god speaking is a dishonest prick...
You purposely left out this part of Genesis 11

5 But the LORD came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. 6 The LORD said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them.7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”

Direct interference.

Proverbs wrote by King Solomon, David’s son (that one god didn’t directly torture and kill for the sins of his father, David) ... 13 Then David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” Nathan answered, “The Lord has taken away your sin. You will not die. 14 But what you did caused the Lord’s enemies to lose all respect for him. For this reason the son who was born to you will die.” 15 Then Nathan went home. And the Lord caused the son of David and Bathsheba, Uriah’s widow, to be very sick. 16 David prayed to God for the baby. (*NOTE* PROVERBS 10 ... lie ... did god give this righteous man his desire?)
18 On the seventh day the baby died. (2 Sam 12:13-18)

Job?!!!? Hahahahaha. God’s bet with the devil?!?!?!!! ‘Nuf said

Cain/Abel gifts to god? Does god not like gifts? Why a competition? My boys bring me gifts and I accept them...don’t set up a “competition” - well the youngest obviously loves me more because it’s hand drawn whereas the oldest only spent money on me. And “god” loved the gift of blood and fat...He’s not a vegetarian!!!

@Johan “Everyone of us should learn to control our feelings/spirits.”

Especially your god!!!

Johan's picture


God has created life with good and bad consequences. Good and bad comes from God. Sure. He is the Creator of that. If He didn't do it then life would have been just a confusion.

It is just the way it is. So do good and you will reap good consequences. Don't cry when bad consequences of your evil actions comes your way.

Isaiah 26
9 With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.
10 Let favour be shewed to the wicked, yet will he not learn righteousness: in the land of uprightness will he deal unjustly, and will not behold the majesty of the Lord.

David Killens's picture
@ Johan

@ Johan

"And I asked God about it too. And He said that according to agreement with Adam He will stay out of human beings lives regarding their control of planet earth."

Yet your god fucked around with mankind for millennium after, the great flood, Moses parting the waters, I can list literally hundreds of examples from the bible. Fuck, according to the bible he sent his son down for a little sojourn

So what is it? Is your god really talking to you or are you insane? Or is it that your god is a dishonest liar?

You are either NOT talking to god, or this god is a genuine asshole.

Johan's picture
The great flood was just the

The great flood was just the consequences that hit the earth because of the evil of mankind. Just as the big hole in the atmosphere is today. And just like a dead earth will be one of these coming years. We were warned but never heed the warning. And God is not going to interfere to stop the disaster coming. Maybe just save His Children that Love Him and was not part of it all.

Genesis 6
5 ¶And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.*n1*n2
6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.*n3
8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.
9 ¶These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.


As for sending "his son" to be cruelly tortured to death by evil religion is just the imaginations of the Babies of God not knowing much. We only serve One God. He died to save us and in that became our Father that we Love. He has no "son".


Whitefire13's picture
Uh...Johan...your god is a

Uh...Johan...your god is a liar. The global flood as described in his word the bible did not happen in physical reality.

And Jesus death...”an evil religion” set up by god himself...to “sacrifice” himself to himself for a rule he himself made. Hey!!!! Does make about as much sense as you!


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