God's Love.

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Johan's picture
God's Love.

I have to admit that I never met with it in the religious world. For this reason I actually feel "with you". Although i am not "with many" in our different views. Because most have thrown away the baby with its "bath water". I have not.

I would say that not many knows much about God's Love. Most will say it does not exist. Because of experiences with religions and churches. I totally agree. If you are looking for God in religion and churches you will surely fail.

But what about looking for it in Spirituality?

Just looking for Him because we have to be in Love. Life without Love is cold intellectualism. In this case we need to know what His Love is all about. Then we can decide. And venture into it or reject it. Because before we really know there has not really been an acceptance nor rejection.

But let us debate it. And let us see where it takes us. Because only in debating will we learn about one another. As the words of the person reveal his soul. And in the end this is what it is about. Who are you. And who am I. And who is God. This is what Life is all about.

If you want to Live then you have to start chatting. That is what it is about. Not winning or loosing the debate. This is cold intellectualism.

God Loves.

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Sheldon's picture
Which diety, how are you

Which diety, how are you defining it, and how are you defining love, also what objective evidence can you demonstrate for any deity, or that love exists beyond the the human emotion we experience?

FYI this is a debate forum, so I'd advise not trying to dictate what people can say, or how they can say it.

Intellectualism is defined in such a way that calling it cold is somewhat redundant. It strikes me as a poisoning of the well fallacy as well, unless someone can explain why reason and logic need exclude an acknowledgement, and or understanding of our evolved emotional needs?

Johan's picture
As you said. The Deity. I

As you said. The Deity. I believe in the One I met. I am defining Him as my Father. He taught me about His Love. Which I didn't have. So He actually created it in me. And now I Love. It is my guiding Principle in Life. No longer intellect of normal human being life. Meaning my Life is created by Him in Love and not by intellect.

Thanks for advising me. That can be Love in action. If you do it for my good. Many do it for their own good. And I am here for debating and not dictating.

Dictating is no Love.

Sheldon's picture
@Johan

@Johan

A bare claim you met something doesn't tell me anything really, can you demonstrate anything approaching objective evidence for this claim?

Father already has a commonly understood definition, so unless you are saying this deity sired you through the biological act we know produces children, or that it legally adopted you,, this claim is meaningless sorry?

Johan "Meaning my Life is created by Him in Love and not by intellect."

I have no idea what that means, are you able to explain what you think it means, and demonstrate objective evidence for the claim?

Johan's picture
You are totally correct. God

You are totally correct. God "sired" me. And that is where I met with Love. Because a Father Loves His Child. So although religion "demolished" my life, I never let go of God because of knowing Him. In fact loosing everything from my wife, kids, family, friends, nation, possessions, work and money He was the only One I had left. But it was more than enough to pull me through.

So I gave the pieces of my life to God. That was an act of Love. And He acted in Love with the pieces. And I have another Life now. Not created by my intellect. That was my previous one as a Reverend in the Dutch Reformed church. That I created for myself by using a good intellect. But all that was left of me and that life was my clothes on my body. And now I have another one.

The evidence for this is over here.

My pieces brought to Nkqubela:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=119287923104662&set=a.1192902597...

God creating in Love my New Life.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=119291129771008&set=a.1192902597...

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=119296133103841&set=a.1192902597...

Sheldon's picture
@Johan

@Johan

You're claiming to have a deity as your biological father, I don't believe you sorry. You'll have to produce some fairly compelling objective evidence for that claim.

Yes I note you repeat your claim to "know god", and again you will need to demonstrate some objective evidence to support this claim before I will believe it.

I sympathise if you have lost family, I am myself going through a painful divorce, and will lose the life I have worked relentlessly for for many years, so I understand a little about loss. Now while it's a difficult and painful transition, I don't need or seek the crutch of unevidenced beliefs. Better to deal with reality now, however painful.

Sorry but I've read every word from all of those Facebook links, and there is no evidence, just bare assertions.

Johan's picture
Thanks for reading those

Thanks for reading those links. They are on how I was restored in another Life. Without the use of my intellect or physical Abilities.

I know it is actually much easier for those that witnessed the whole transition that also benefits the most. They saw me killing off the last of my life as a human by actually selling all my possessions and giving the money to the poor. In such a way that they accepted me to be a "father" in their lives. Because for 2 months I physically took all the widows and orphans to town and bought them food and clothes. Until all my money was finished. At that moment I was finished too.

And then God began creating my New Physical Existence. By choosing a house for me and the family of that particular house. They took me in and I began sharing their lives with them. And God totally changed that house and their lifestyles to what they desired. It was not done by any ability of ourselves. The small community of approximately 10 000 people witnessed this and totally agree when I say anything in this regard.

https://www.facebook.com/andile.shibili/posts/2845696308875308?comment_i...

But of course the change in my physical life and how it is now is not the heart of having God as Father. The heart of it all is the birth that God give you when you become His Child. From Him. To be the same as He is in Character and Life in our Soul.

Sheldon's picture
@Johan

@Johan

No offence but you are simply repeating your previous claims, I still see no evidence to support those claims.

Johan " The small community of approximately 10 000 people witnessed this and totally agree when I say anything in this regard."

Another claim, and nothing you have described is objective evidence for a deity or anything supernatural.

Johan's picture
The first thing i want to ask

The first thing i want to ask is how do you insert your quotes. I have looked all over the place and could not find the way.

In regard to my hometown knowing about my Life. It is very obvious there on my Facebook page. Those are the poor people of Nkqubela that is mostly on it. i am staying with them in the black township of Nkqubela in Robertson. And everything I am saying here is said right in front of everyone in Robertson. And you will nowhere find anyone disagreeing with what I am saying.

There are not any white South African from Robertson at this stage on my page. Only from other regions in the world The white South Africans have asked me to leave town. They persecuted me for who and what i am. Took away my job, wife, kids, family, friends, nation and my place where I stayed. The reason being is that I am speaking about a God and understanding of Him that they don't want their followers to know anything about. Some of the church organizations even have court orders against me to stay far away from them. This is too be understood. It is the bread and butter of the leaders that is at play here.

Sheldon's picture
Johan "you will nowhere find

Johan "you will nowhere find anyone disagreeing with what I am saying.

I don't care, it's still not evidence for the claim a deity is responsible, the number of people who believe something is not evidence for the belief, that is a logical fallacy called argumentum ad populum, a bare appeal to numbers.

Again the fact that other theists who hold differing beliefs are persecuting you for your beliefs, based on their racist ideology is not evidence for either of your beliefs, why on earth would it be?

Johan's picture
I didn't say that i am basing

I didn't say that i am basing my evidence on my opinions. What I said is that others agree that i am actual living what I believe. I really have no physical life. Just a spiritual one. And i am really giving birth to Jesus. This is not something that exists only in my mind. It is the Reality of my Life. It is physically existing. In my community where it is witnessed.

https://www.facebook.com/johan.abrahams.50767/posts/119294493104005?comm...

https://www.facebook.com/johan.abrahams.50767/posts/119294493104005?comm...

https://www.facebook.com/johan.abrahams.50767/posts/119290263104428?comm...

Sheldon's picture
Johan "I didn't say that i

Johan "I didn't say that i am basing my evidence on my opinions.

That's correct, I am saying this since you have offered neither objective evidence nor rational argument in support of your bare assertions.

Johan "What I said is that others agree that i am actual living what I believe."

So what? This doesn't evidence a deity, as I've explained. Yet all you do is repeat the claim?

Johan "And i am really giving birth to Jesus. This is not something that exists only in my mind. It is the Reality of my Life. It is physically existing. In my community where it is witnessed."

Another string of unevidenced assertions, even were they true, how exactly does this objectively evidence any deity or indeed, anything beyond natural human behaviour?

You suffered an emotional trauma, and have had a strong emotional response, and are acting largely out of character. So what, this is not evidence for a deity..

I've read your links, they don't offer anything approaching objective evidence or rational argument for any deity, as you've been told.

NB please don't simply repeat your previous meaningless claims back to me, read and try to understand they are not evidence.

Everyone has done you the courtesy of taking your claims at face value, but those claims simply don't evidence a deity, nothing you have done or are doing rationally requires a deity to be real. You just strongly want this to be true.

Johan's picture
@Sheldon

@Sheldon
Spirit/emotion/feeling can not be seen. We deduct the spirit/emotion/feeling from the actions. God can likewise not be seen. We deduct His existence from the actions seen.

So i am explaining my actions that is strange to you. By showing you my actions in my actual life I am living. Then you can see the Spirit/feeling/emotion behind them.

dogalmighty's picture
Spirits or spiritual realms

Spirits or spiritual realms do not exist. Nobody in all time has any validating evidence for such things. Emotions and feelings exist and are only experienced in each individual brains limbic system.

BTW, spirit can not be seen because it doesn't exist and thusly can not be seen, studied or measured.

Feeling/emotion can be seen and measured (see the attached MRI scan of the emotion of love) but only as a function of each individuals active limbic system, in each brain's cerebral cortex. The image is taken during the limbic system neuronal activation the moment a loved one was placed in view of the subject.

Woo woo magic spirit = non-existence in reality.

Emotion/feelings = existing in reality as it can be neuroelectrically, neurochemically and imaged in lab in real time...and has been hundreds of thousands of times.

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I agree there is a reaction

@doG

I agree there is a reaction from the brain. Because the body experience the feeling. And react to it. And that reaction is done by the brain. We just have a different source. You have the intellect as a human being. I have the Spirit as a Spiritual being. I have another Life than you. My different Life is that I am not into intellect as my everything. I am into Love.

You have an intellectual relationship with me or one of Love. Intellectual relationships are just that. When your intellect is no longer stimulated by the person then you loose interest. Your relationship and your basis for it is short lived. Mine is everlasting. It is Family Relationships.

You are enjoying my intellect. I am enjoying you. There is a huge difference in quality of life here.

You see. With your brain you can not switch on Love for me. Impossible. You can not tell your brain to Love me. You are unfortunately not in charge of feelings. You would have like to be. But you are not. And because you can not Love me our relationship will soon end. And you will go your way and I will go mine. But it is because of your inferior life. Because you make that choice that is separation. Because you can not Live with me. We have no Family Bond.

This is why Adam died in Eden when he chose for intellect to be his own god. He lost Life that is in Love. And became a cold intellectual being.

This situation is remedied by God. Where the Christians learn that God is their Father and they are all Brothers and Sisters in the same Family. And they have to find that Love now between them and start sharing Family Life. Where God give them His Love to be Family. And their actions prove the Love that they had. And others saw and added themselves to this living in Love.

Acts 2
44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

dogalmighty's picture
No johan, your belief comes

No johan, your belief comes from your own brain, nowhere else. Everything does. Unfortunately, you do not have the physical capacity to realize this. I believe you are mentally ill. Not only is the belief you have concocted in your mind delusional, but the level of religious bias you have, is causing significant cognitive dissonance, not allowing you to reason correctly, or learn truths unless they meet your delusional narrative. I feel sorry for you and have enough compassion for fellow humans to seek help for you. I will gladly try and help you find a psychiatrist in your area, that you can talk to. If you ever realize you need help...I will be here.

Johan's picture
@doG

@doG

"No johan, your belief comes from your own brain, nowhere else."

That is your opinion on where my "believes" comes from. But I have given you my believes and I showed you in the Bible and with evidence from my actual Life that the two match up.

" not allowing you to reason correctly, "

There is nothing wrong with my reasoning. As you can actually clearly see. It is just your a "spirit of nagging uncertainty" that there is "no God" that is forcing you to say this. Overruling now your intellect to say wrong things.

" I feel sorry for you and have enough compassion for fellow humans to seek help for you. "

We are in the same boat. I have compassion for you too. Real ones. Unlike the "pity" of humans that tends to be short lived. As you saw in Sheldon and even condoned it.

Because if his was correct then yours are wrong?

https://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/debate-room/gods-love?page=10#com...

So it seems that I am actually providing the help you need?

Sheldon's picture
Johan " that reaction is

Johan " that reaction is done by the brain. We just have a different source. You have the intellect as a human being. I have the Spirit as a Spiritual being."

Except we can cite objective evidence for the physical working of the human brain, whereas your woo woo claim is pie in the sky unevidenced nonsense.

Your post still reads as a massive ode to your own ego btw.

You still haven't offered a shred of evidence either, just endless claims.

Johan's picture
@Sheldon

@Sheldon

"Except we can cite objective evidence for the physical working of the human brain, whereas your woo woo claim is pie in the sky unevidenced nonsense. "

I gave you that evidence. And now there is more. You yourself. So maybe you will believe that you actually does exist? And your feelings too? And we can see them from your words?

https://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/debate-room/gods-love?page=10#com...

So let us go a bit deeper into this. Because in the end it is not about my and others but me and you.

https://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/debate-room/gods-love#comment-175534

We knowing each other is what is important. And now in this regard of the forum it is we being a Family together. That is what Relationships are about. Which you didn't have up to now. Only "academic debating" which you yourself admitted too. Here is no place you said for what is actually giving Life to humans. Relationships in Love.

But of course. As this is New to you and you feel yourself not up to Love you will have the feeling of running. But then you should run alone. Not forcing everybody to get out of this situation by a ban. Which you seem to vote for. This is very selfish of you. As you can see in the skeptic forums from where I was banned. Banned with lies because of the inferior lives being revealed between them. And then the real issue was not even resolved to a satisfactory end. And i am sure many felt it was taken away an opportunity they had to go deeper into this. Forced on them by the selfish "bossy" spirit ruling in the world these days. Void of Love and Wisdom.

Humans are so selfish.

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@ Johan

@ Johan

"Spirit/emotion/feeling can not be seen."

Not with the naked eye. But emotions and feelings have been studied, mapped to brain functions, and the chemistry identified.

"We deduct the spirit/emotion/feeling from the actions."

What about someone completely paralyzed? Because they cannot act, they have no emotions or feelings? Additionally, many of us may have wild and crazy thoughts, but recognize they should not act on them because it is inappropriate. For example, I know an asshole I desperately desire to punch his lights out every time we run across each other. But I do not act on my desires because I understand it would lead to jail, and violence is something I have decided I shall not do unless under extraordinary circumstances.

"By showing you my actions in my actual life I am living. Then you can see the Spirit/feeling/emotion behind them."

To be completely frank, you chose to walk the path of a shitty life. You are not exactly a role model for christianity.

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@David Killens

@David Killens

"To be completely frank, you chose to walk the path of a shitty life. You are not exactly a role model for christianity."

Ok. this is just and opinion here. So tell me how did you come to this judgment of me?

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@ Rohan

@ Rohan

Are you on good terms with all of the organized christian churches in your area?

dogalmighty's picture
David is using your own words

David is using your own words to formulate a view of you...and, by your own words, it seems accurate. By your own admission you think you are a special religious saviour sent, personally by your god...that dog and human souls intermix through reincarnation via soul transfers, and that magic signals come from a spiritual realm where you were born as the new christ, that these signals invade peoples brains to make them experience special god feelings, that are actually no different than regular human brain function...this, and many other assertions you have put forth that have zero objective evidence of existence, that do not align with reality. That...combined with your inability to reason correctly, inability to question your own beliefs objectively, hampered by your incredible religious based cognitive dissonance, makes you delusional and not capable of normal human function let alone adherence to christianity's dogma ...which during several times in your life, has had your sanity questioned by others...and again, here on this site, has everyone believing you have distinct mental health issues, directing you to seek professional help.

This does not align with what christianity claims.
From speaking with you, and in review of your own words, actions and beliefs, I have to agree with David.

Johan's picture
@doG

@doG

"David is using your own words to formulate a view of you"
and:
"I have to agree with David."

He was not formulating. He was angry. And cursing because of that. Then lied about it to say it was contempt. Which changed from pity. But of course you are "with" him. For the "moment". As humans feelings are so temporary.

Feelings is the important factor in Relationships. Not intellect. Intellect is cold. As you can see. And running now to intellect while this thread is actually on feelings is "off topic". Specially in this case where the more important feelings are now on the foreground and not intellect. You should know that seeing that you are such a "high qualified professional knowing more than those that was actually part of the real situation" But David/Sheldon being our "friend for now" is now helped from the frying pan and into the fire. And thus you get also from the frying pan and into the fire. Done by your "feeling of being a friend in academic debating" which is actually only "friendship in like mindedness". So cold.

So this "feeling of being together in like minded academic discussions" are so little in worth for Real Lasting Relationships in Love. And they force you now to act contrary to your intellect. Which you "self promoted" as being on a "high level of professionalism"

So the Godly Compassion that can not change by any words or actions from your side or anyone elses side for that matter is so much more Powerful than your pity as human beings for me and one another. As you agreed that Sheldon's pity that can be changed to contempt is actually totally correct.

And the feelings of David/Sheldon manipulates the mind to say things that are totally an embarrassment. And you agreed that there is nothing wrong with it. Yet you stay with your "compassion" which I actually rather describe as pity because of it being able to get displaced by other worse spirits. And you agreed for that to be "totally correct".

Cognostic's picture
@Johan:

@Johan:
"You will find no one who disagrees with me?" ADPOPULUM fallacy.
They are running you out of town for acting like a crazy person. COGNITIVE DISSONANCE. Obviously you are ignorant of all the people disagreeing with you. Somehow you are simply discounting them when you state "No one disagrees." In short...... you are acting as weird as your posts. Unfortunate for you.

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@Cognostic

@Cognostic

I was not run out of town for being "crazy". You don't do that with a crazy person. They tried it but I was certified normal. They ran me out of town in anger. At that stage 20 years ago they got angry at me when I spoke up against the corporal punishment that was ruling the town as supposedly from God.

https://twitter.com/johanabrahams2/status/1175661012999163904

And the clergy got angry because they were proven liars. They were behind the whole persecution.

But i only saved them from their lies. This was the real source of their anger. Being "saved" from themselves and the position they gave themselves that was never from God.

Since it has been revealed now as the Truth they can not face me because of their embarrassment. In their pride they refuse to admit they were wrong. For clergy to admit they were wrong and broke up my family because of evil controlling their minds is too much. They enjoy their position. Being honored as "favorites" of God. And they are getting paid for that.

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ Johan

@ Johan

A bit more honesty from you Johan.

A skeptic site looked into your "persecution" claims did they not? And the investigator came away with a completely different set of facts.

You were so incensed to be called out on your fantasy that you ended up being banned from THREE sceptic sites?

You do know that a town council/church cannot pronounce you insane, its called a commital proceeding? Even in darkest S Africa it requires two doctors and evidence of your antisocial behavior that may harm yourself or others?

By the same token ONE doctor cannot pronounce you "sane" that diagnosis does not exist. what actually happened I surmise, is that an outside consultant could not find you to be a "danger to the community", nothing to do with your sanity and your wild delusions. You were in effect, found to be an annoyance, delusionary, but harmless.

Do not try your bullshit here Johan. It works even less well when you are also preaching. Now, Voetsek.

Johan's picture
@Old man shouts . . .

@Old man shouts . . .

"You were in effect, found to be an annoyance, delusionary, but harmless. "

Ok. Then you surely also saw what the actual reason was?

As I said I was speaking against corporal punishment given to us from God. And I said that is a lie. God said we discipline in Love and Wisdom. So the clergy got angry because they were revealed as lying in the Name of God.

But maybe you saw something different?

"Do not try your bullshit here Johan. It works even less well when you are also preaching. Now, Voetsek."

Oops! Seems you asked an angry spirit from God. And it is now ruling your mind to say some bad things. Even if it is right what you have said. Don't you think you should have handled my disciplining also in Love and Wisdom? Or do you think the angry banning from other forums are the correct way. Also from "God"?

Seems you are now walking the way of Robertson? Forcing me out? With evil words. Can Love not discipline? These are the same words I used in Robertson. Then they ran for the "professionals" to get me out. And they failed. Forums are different. You just ban me. But the lingering evil will not be a satisfying way to live with. For the rest of your live?

If you were in Robertson you would have started to hide from me now. So I assume you will do the same from now on. Not being able to face me anymore. The same as Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. Now you know why they were behind the bushes and God came looking for them. Because i will be looking for you and your next post. And what are you going to do. Admit your evil feeling or hide or be some more evil?

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@ Johan

@ Johan

And what are you going to do. Admit your evil feeling or hide or be some more evil?

And this exactly what you did in Robertson is it not? Any one who disagreed or called you out was labelled by you "evil" or doing the work of "evil" .

Not very loving now is it?

Tell the truth about what happened Johan, it might make you better able to take some offers of help you have here.

Every time you post a little more truth slips from you...why would people "hide from you now"? If you were truly loving and kind and gentle? why would they hide?

BTW I read the other forums, no one was angry with you Johan, you were banned for lying, and shitposting members of good standing.

Your posts were hardly loving and kind...like this one about me Johan. I am an atheist. So Seems you asked an angry spirit from God. And it is now ruling your mind to say some bad things. has absolutely no meaning for me. It is the usual ravings of a delusional theist.

Maybe your church would not have expelled you for your heresy if you had indeed been loving, kind and HONEST.

When you come clean Johan, you may be on the way to recovery. Until then. Seek help. I know S Africa's mental health system is in disarray, underfunded and woefully inadequate. You need help Johan, or start by being honest with yourself and with others.

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@Old man shouts

@Old man shouts

"And this exactly what you did in Robertson is it not? Any one who disagreed or called you out was labelled by you "evil" or doing the work of "evil" .
Not very loving now is it? "

===I gave you all the evidence on me. And you come up with this? Nope. Everybody just assaulted me where they got me. I counted up to 38 in that first year. And then I stopped counting because it was not strange to me anymore. The head of the persecution against me was really classic. The day before Christmas in the year 2000. In Shoprite. Assaulting me when I asked if I can help him carry all his bags. And then I had the opportunity to turn the other cheek of course. Right there in front of everyone that just froze in their tracts.

https://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,49517.msg9554325.html#msg9554325

So I disagree with you on evidence that exists. While he was killing me and hanging on my throat I said only this: Forgive him. It is not him. It is the devil ruling him. He is God's Child. Just a Baby. Not having much Power in God's Love yet.

"Tell the truth about what happened Johan, it might make you better able to take some offers of help you have here. "

Seems the Truth will be unacceptable to your intellect that is already being ruled by a spirit of "delusion". Missing the whole situation. As it is ruling your mind.

"Every time you post a little more truth slips from you...why would people "hide from you now"? If you were truly loving and kind and gentle? why would they hide? "

They don't like the revealing of themselves. Who they actually are. As that Doctor, the Head of the persecution, did after that. He suddenly were faced with his lack of "self control". But the head of a big church and the Leader of the Pack. So He was hiding from that day onward. Not wanting to be hugely embarashed again. By himself and his lack of self control. Then he started with the actions of trying to get me out of town by certifying me. Getting my mother involved too. And the end was that my mother went to the asylum. For trying to tell herself she was right in what she was doing. Seems her mind could not cope with that. Luckily for her someone believed me and went to speak to her about her wrongs. And she was healed immediately. But then she was too scared to face the community with the Truth and sold her house in Robertson and left for Bloefontein. Far away. And we stayed Mother and Son in Love until her death.

"BTW I read the other forums, no one was angry with you Johan, you were banned for lying, and shitposting members of good standing. "

Again this is a judgment without evidence and thus only your opinion. You should provide evidence when you want to speak as a judge. As everything is right in front of you, you can just give the evidence of this. Because as it is standing now it is just slander. Acting is actually reserved for God's Grown ups. They do it in Love and Wisdom. Like it is done now with you.

Mat. 19
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Proverbs 8
14 Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding; I have strength.
15 By me kings reign, and princes decree justice.
16 By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth.
17 I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.

"Your posts were hardly loving and kind...like this one about me Johan. I am an atheist. So Seems you asked an angry spirit from God. And it is now ruling your mind to say some bad things. has absolutely no meaning for me. It is the usual ravings of a delusional theist. "

You should have linked us. As it stands now it is again just your opinion. Give us the context and we can see for ourselves if you are wrong again like all the previous opinions you had. Seems this very post is actually some more evidence on you on you being ruled by an "angry spirit".

"Maybe your church would not have expelled you for your heresy if you had indeed been loving, kind and HONEST. "

Again evidence on your mind being ruled by that "angry spirit". Because I never said I have been "expelled for heresy". But of course you are welcome to link us and give the evidence on this.

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ Johan

@ Johan

===I gave you all the evidence on me. And you come up with this? Nope.

No, You have given NO evidence. You have made many claims, all unsupported. Like the next paragraph about the many assaults you CLAIM with no evidence upon your person.
As to the last instance of you trying to help a homeless person, it is the risk we all run when dealing with the dispossessed.
Why were you so sure it was part of the other pattern of assaults you claim?

eems the Truth will be unacceptable to your intellect that is already being ruled by a spirit of "delusion". Missing the whole situation. As it is ruling your mind.

You are not helping your case here Johan. Multiple claims of near godhood from you, unproven multiple claims of persecution and some of the most ridiculous nonsense that I have seen on these forums.

Again this is a judgment without evidence and thus only your opinion. You should provide evidence when you want to speak as a judge. As everything is right in front of you, you can just give the evidence of this. Because as it is standing now it is just slander.

Do you not understand there is evidence for my conclusions?...just by reading the posts on the sceptic forum and asking them questions about you. You, on the other hand have just made grandiose and unsubstantiated claims without one shred of evidence to back them up.

How are we meant to behave? Believe you instead of all the others that have documented their dealings with you? You own links do not contain any evidence for your claims. Just more nonsense.

Again evidence on your mind being ruled by that "angry spirit". Because I never said I have been "expelled for heresy".

So, it seems that the explicit charge of heresy was not made according to you. But I can bet the word was bandied about at your many hearings and interviews with your church elders. . But your increasingly erratic behaviour and preaching counter to the dogma of the CDRC got you into hot water on several occasions. Your last heresy was to publicly argue against corporal punishment...where the CDRC doma is very specific about discipline and how it can be applied.

I am trying to get at the truth but all I get from you is claim, after claim, after claim with only your word to back it up. No links to public court transcriptions, no links to local newspapers or even contemporary to the events, social media commenting on your alleged assaults or behavior that caused a breach of the peace. Just links to your own self serving multiple identities on FB. That is just sad, not convincing evidence

In short you offer us nothing but your ravings, yet expect belief.

How is that working for you?

You live in a delusional fantasy world, borderline persecution mania, your word, in short, cannot be trusted Johan.

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