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You clearly don't grasp that deriding a post and making endless personal insults are not remotely the same thing. If you;re going to start crying now after the days of abuse you've directed at me then that's just too funny.
Your post content is insulted because it merits nothing less. Try posting something, anything, of value for once. Without mentioning voices in your head, overlords or fucking underlords. No rational debate can take place based on such risible vapid delusional nonsense . You're lasing out because that's all you have, but I am more than happy for anyone to read through this exchange and decide for themselves.
Pot calling the kettle black again. Not only do you deride posts for the sake of derision; you insult the poster. How do you think it makes me feel - to be told to go somewhere else - twice. Yeah. I’m going to target your small penis. You bet I am.
As for my argument. I’m asking you to critically assess the thing inside of you that you hold closest to your self. If you think that an inquiry into the existence of a self or the non-existence of a self is - whatever you say - “merits nothing”; then what is worth merit?
And you like to lump me in with the rest of these theists. Ha. You have me all wrong. I am simply asking you to suspend your judgement and critically assess whether you truly have a Self.
My inner voice is delusional? Ha, again. I completely understand your position. And you deride not only my views but also who I am. And you go on to champion your self as the one who is taking the high ground in this fued. For shame, Sheldon. For shame.
@Rat Spit
Excuse me, Mr. Rat Spit. Don't mean to interrupt, but I just have a quick question. In your opinion, would it be ethical of me to charge my inner voice rent? I mean, it seems only fair that it should pay its way, right? After all, I am the one doing all the actual physical labor to support us. All my inner voice does is sit up there and yammer on and on about a bunch of nonsense all day. Granted, it does not take up all that much space or use all that much energy. Still, seems only fair it should have to pay at least a little something. Of course, there is the little problem of figuring out how to get it to pay, but I was hoping you might have some suggestions for that. Anyway, whenever you get a chance to answer. Thanks.
@Tin Man
Very good question. I asked my personal OverLord if he would pay rent and he said, “no”. And I asked him why. He said he “couldn’t afford it.” So, I told him that I was going to evict Him. And he said, “Fine. But I’m taking all my stuff.” Then I had some Catholic priests come over and they doused me in Holy Water and crowded around me speaking in Latin. They charged me three hundred dollars for the exorcism. And it didn’t work. Then the OverLord said He’d leave on His own and I realized I didn’t have a Self and that I’d be thrown into an Abyss if He left - so now I’m letting Him sleep on the couch. As long as He keeps quiet, I don’t mind. But when He won’t shut up; it’s a free trip to the psyche ward - so we don’t have to worry about rent anyway.
I dunno if that helps.
@Rat Spit Re: "I asked my personal OverLord if he would pay rent and he said, “no”."
See? THAT'S the problem with these damn OverLord characters! What a bunch of free-loaders! Sheesh! They think just because they are soooooo "lordly" that they are allowed to get away with whatever they want. Really chaps my ass. Hope you at least make him clean up after himself. Seems like the least he could do. But, wait, though.... Just thought of something.... Hmmm.... How do you know it really isn't just the Evil One being deceptive and just pretending to be the OverLord just to have a place to crash? I'm tellin' ya, you can't trust those bastards.
@Tin Man.
I can’t be cheered up, Tin Man. I promised my self I’d never let my heart be broken and Sheldon has gone and done it. He won’t even reply to me or validate my arguments for me. :( I’m having a bad day. No more penis jokes, I guess. That would be WAY TOO immature:(
rat spit, you are displaying some symptoms of bipolar disorder.
Not joking.
*smiles* really? That’s always been my favourite disorder ;)
I concur.
Ok, I’ll bite: my inner voice is the only voice I hear that’s mine. There is no “OverLord” interrupting in my mind. I have certain delusions myself, but I understand they are just that: delusions. We are so insistent on the fact that you are delusional because you are the EXCEPTION here. Normal human consciousness has no OverLord or other presence controlling, interrupting, answering questions. And even if there were such a thing in my mind, I would still ignore it, as I would understand it to be a delusion. I am not just a voice in my head. I am my ego. It isn’t just a voice, it’s consciousness. A human brain having another ego is typically a mental health disorder, such as split personality. Having another voice is schizophrenia or schizo-affective. I mean you seem to know of these conditions, very well perhaps from seeking some form of therapy yourself. Why is it hard for you to see that your condition is not normal, and in fact our condition’s are normal? Why do you expect us to take your belief, whatever you want to call it, seriously when it’s out in the open to see that you have a mental health issue? None of us really can identify ANY common ground with you, and I don’t know why you expect an Atheist forum, the home of rationality and reason and skepticism, to be receptive of your beliefs.
*licking lips* Mmm. Yeah. Validation. My favourite.
No. Not this time, rat spit. Just no. Okay. Why? Well. I know what it’s like to be normal. I had a few years there where I was normal. Then I smoked some PCP and everything changed. The world was empty. I screamed out for a God. I damn near invented one just to help with the misery.
Normal is a curious word. But if you identify with the inner voice inside your head - more power to you. But if you don’t consider that a lot of your thoughts are beyond your control (and are in fact deleterious to your normal everyday experience) - and things like that ... you’re not looking very hard.
The other piece of evidence I wanted to raise was the unrepeatable impulse problem. Every thought is prefaced by an impulse. These impulses are never repeatable. That being the case, the argument for a self is a curious one.
Now that explains a lot. You definitely need to be on Thorazine, straight-jacket, and in a rubber room.
rmfr
It was not my greatest life decision.
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phencyclidine
Recreational doses of the drug also occasionally appear to induce a psychotic state that resembles a schizophrenic episode, sometimes lasting for months at a time. Users generally report feeling detached from reality.
Sounds about right :)
rat spit we may exchange unpleasantries in most posts, but as one caring human being to another, this is not a personal attack or counter to any argument. Please take care of your body and mind.
Yeah, that’s entirely the point. Thoughts are not the agent in control, nor the impetus for action. Thoughts are merely thoughts. YOU, the ego, has the choice to follow through on thoughts, give them validity, or flat out ignore them. You are right, I’m not consciously in control of my thoughts, my brain is working at all times in order to supply me with fresh, constant stream of thoughts. It’s up to me, the ego, to choose to act on them, or not act on them. For you to suggest there is another ego nestled in my brain with me, I would say fuck off to that. I may have a subconscious that is mysterious to me, but that doesn’t suggest I have a whole other identity or there is some omnipotent being supervising me.
"Then I smoked some PCP and everything changed."
This really does explain a great deal.
rat spit: "Not only do you deride posts for the sake of derision; you insult the poster."
Then prove it. Blockquote the text AND link to the relevant posts where Sheldon has insulted you the person. Yeah, he insults your posts, but so do I. Why are you only picking on Sheldon?
Hey, Admins/Mods, I would like to file a grievance of Botanical Prejudice. It ain't fair.
rmfr
I’m not picking on Sheldon. And I don’t have a problem with you because you seem to have a sense of humour about things. I would also hazard the guess that if you were wrong about something you would have the capacity to accept it. Sheldon does not appear to have such a capacity - and where has he personally insulted me? He’s told me to fuck off and go somewhere else twice. Not in those exact words - still; how would you feel if someone cuts you down and tells you you’re not wanted - go somewhere else?
That’s when the first insight came to me. Sheldon is a prick. And he’s pathologically dismissive. It’s irritating.
Well, let's see what we got here...
I guess I could have worded that differently. Should have said it seems as if you are attacking Sheldon.
See with statements like that, it seems as if you are attacking him, not what he writes. That is Ad Hominem (slide 62 (Rhetological Fallacies)).
Yes, it can be irritating when someone refutes your ideas and shows where you are wrong. But that is not a reason for ad hominem attacks. And to be wholly honest, I have been guilty of some ad hominem attacks. Most have been catching persons lying about me and/or something I posted. This is usually a common occurrence here from the theists.
Tin-Man, Old Man, have y'all been telling stories about me? Gee whiz, I don't get no respect (Dangerfield).
A sense of humor? I guess my warped sense of sarcasm can be viewed as humor. Yes, I can view some things humorously. But only to point the fallacy of something. And then there are the times I can be an outright sarcastic asshole with my humor.
Yes, if I am proven wrong about something, I shall freely admit that I was wrong. And there have been many times I was wrong and thanked the person for spanking me for inaccurate statements.
Interesting question. Most of the time I ignore them.
A suggestion: Look at from his point of view. You have constantly prattled on about the Overlord, the Evil One, voices in your head, are our thoughts "our" thoughts, can we control our thoughts, etc., etc.
Me, I find your claims somewhat humorous. Something to have some fun with. Sheldon just does not find them humorous. And in a certain point of view, even I can see where I could have been like Sheldon in my responses. Most of the time when I come to these forums, I don't want to be the super serious scientist I am by profession. I come here to be me. The real me when I ain't at work and/or working at home. Most of my time at home is spent gathering data from the geomancy stations and crunching that data. Tedious, boring, monotonous work for most, but for me, it is fascinating seeing all that data as the programs analyze and compile it into geodatabases.
Thus, when here at AR, I want to kind of have some fun. Now there are times when my "bark" can be just as rough, if not rougher, than Sheldon's. Ask him. I am sure he has seen it. Hell, he'd probably even tell you I can be quite an asshole sometimes.
I have had theists say the same thing to me. Although you proclaim to not be a theist, you actually are. Look at how you post claims for an Overlord and Evil One. Sound likes "God" and "Satan" wannabes to me. Just another form of religion. As far as someone telling me to "fuck off," I have never found that insulting. Here is quote for ya:
There is also something Christopher Hitchens said, and I paraphrase: "In my many decades of living, I have found there is a truth when it comes to speaking or writing anything of substance. You are going to offend someone somewhere sometime. I have ceased to care if anything I say or write is offensive to anyone. If someone finds something I say or write to be offensive, then the problem is not mine. The problem is them."
And Stephen Fry: “It’s very common to hear people say, ‘I’m rather offended by that.’ As if that gives them certain rights. It’s actually nothing more ... than a whine. ‘I find that offensive.’ It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. ‘I am offended by that.’ Well, so fucking what.”
Just remember my quote:
Basically, you have to see everything people say or write with a large grain of salt. Most often when I plan a full response as with this one, I will copy the post into my text editor so I can read it at my leisure. And re-read it. And re-read it. It also allows me to take my time, get my thoughts straightened out, as I write. Sometime, I will throw a quick terse response "on the fly" to some posts. But longer ones where I want to think and formulate my responses, I'll use my text editor. Besides, I can spell check.
Sounds like you need to unwind some. Don't take everything personally. Me I could care less. You could say all the nasty things about that you want. The things that are true, I just laugh at. The things that are false, I just laugh at. Now if a person should intentionally lie about what I have said or adds lies about what I have said, the gloves come off.
So... yeah. Your statements about a sense of humor and admitting when wrong are fairly correct.
Chill dude.
rmfr
" He’s told me to fuck off and go somewhere else twice. Not in those exact words"
Not remotely what I said, you're simply making up lies now. You have also omitted that you had already claimed to be leaving at that point, so fairly dishonest post from you again. Given your relentless and appalling personal attacks it's clear that you're unable to cope with harsh criticisms of your beliefs, so maybe an atheist forum is not the place for you. You as good as admitted this yourself anyway.
"I would also hazard the guess that if you were wrong about something you would have the capacity to accept it. Sheldon does not appear to have such a capacity -"
So if someone disagrees with your vapid beliefs, then they lack the capacity to admit when they're wrong? Jesus wept....What did you say about being self obsessed?
"how would you feel if someone cuts you down and tells you you’re not wanted - go somewhere else?"
Again not remotely what was said, and again my post came after you had claimed to be done with this place and were leaving. That aside I would not seek out a theist forum, and then throw tantrums and start hurling personally abusive comments at them because they didn't immediately jettison their beliefs, and accept my view of reality as more valid, and my view of reality has the benefit over yours of having some tangible objective evidence to underpin it, whereas yours clearly does not. .
"That’s when the first insight came to me. Sheldon is a prick."
You mean that was when you lost your rag and resorted to pure ad hominem, as you have slyly done here again, you're endless personal attacks are pretty pathetic. Be warned, I am not remotely intimidated by ad hominem, but I may decide to offer some return fire at some point, and you may need to show a lot more back bone if that comes than you have thus far.
"he’s pathologically dismissive."
Is there some law against anyone dismissing your vapid superstitious verbiage? If you don't like your beliefs being criticised don't bring them to a public forum, especially an atheist forum.
"It’s irritating."
Unlike watching you endlessly repeat the same inane delusional and unevidenced superstitious claims over and over and over again, whilst refusing to address any of the criticism of them. Yet you think being irritated justifies your relentless personal attacks. That's pretty pathetic, if you want to espouse your superstitious beliefs to a forum of atheists then I suggest you develop a thicker skin. Or maybe this really isn't the forum for you, seriously. You act as if your unevidenced verbiage should not be criticised, but welcomed with open arms, why is that? I suggest you learn the difference between rational discourse, and the girly tantrums you're throwing as well.
rat spit "He’s told me to fuck off and go somewhere else twice. Not in those exact words "
Sat, 11/10/2018 - 18:16 Permalink
rat spit "I’m done here. The Evil One and I have tried to expose “you” all for what you are - a compelling act of relentless deceit in the form of thought. I will be happy to pop up here and there, where I see fit - to remind you as always; the OverLord is not pleased with you."
My response
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Sun, 11/11/2018 - 03:41 (Reply to #80)
Sheldon "Don't bother popping back, I think we have a pretty good handle on your verbiage by now."
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So you're a bare faced liar. I am also starting to tire of your relentless and childish ad hominem, so consider this your last warning before I respond in kind, and a delicate little flower like you who's already throwing tantrums won't like it, trust me.
I have not once told you to go somewhere else at all, and I'm getting pretty tired f this lie now. Here's what you posted
Sat, 11/10/2018 - 18:16 Permalink
rat spit I’m "done here. The Evil One and I have tried to expose “you” all for what you are - a compelling act of relentless deceit in the form of thought. ***I will be happy to pop up here and there, where I see fit - to remind you as always; the OverLord is not pleased with you."
Here is my response to that claim only...
Sun, 11/11/2018 - 03:41 (Reply to #80)
Sheldon "Don't bother popping back, I think we have a pretty good handle on your verbiage by now."
So again you're a liar.
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You have no cogent rational argument, none, you don''t have even a tenuous grasp of how to construct one either. Try accurately defining what you are calling an "inner voice", then offer some tangible evidence for it. All you have done is relentlessly repeat the same inane nonsense you started with. As for overlords and underlords if you can't see how insane such terms are that's your problem not mine, nonetheless you need to accurately define what you claim these are, then offer some tangible objective evidence for them, you haven't even tried to do this.
"And you like to lump me in with the rest of these theists."
Oh trust me, your posts are clearly in a separate group to other theists, other than in the broadest possible sense that is.
"I am simply asking you to suspend your judgement and critically assess whether you truly have a Self."
How on earth can one assess anything if they suspend their judgement, that makes no sense again. Besides you have offered nothing but bare claims , and vague undefined and unevidenced terminology, so nothing to assess. Define what you mean when you keep saying "the self", is it even falsifiable? You have posted nothing that suggests you are even capable of critically judging your own beliefs and claims, let alone that you have done so.
"My inner voice is delusional? Ha, again. I completely understand your position."
How can you understand my position when you just assigned a claim to me I never made? It may just be very poorly worded by you of course, as your verbiage is very hard to follow. So again define what you mean by "inner voice" what evidence can you demonstrate for it, and is your claim falsifiable? Until you do all that, dismissal is precisely what epistemology demands your posts get.
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" And you deride not only my views but also who I am. And you go on to champion your self as the one who is taking the high ground in this fued. For shame, Sheldon. For shame."
Sun, 11/11/2018 - 14:47 (Reply to #81)Permalink
rat spit "You’re a prick"
Fri, 11/16/2018 - 23:38 (Reply to #166)Permalink
rat spit "Sheldon is a prick. And he’s pathologically dismissive. It’s irritating."
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Again this is yet another shameless lie, and again I am happy for others to read the exchange and decide for themselves if it has any veracity.
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@ Vendor
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rmfr
I don’t know. But mine is above the world wide average, so I’m quite content with it and how it functions.
And if I don't have a wheelbarrow to carry my junk, I have to walk backwards and drag it. Stairs are a bitch and escalators trigger anxiety.
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