Richard Dawkins says maybe it is better if AGI replaces humans!

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TheBlindWatchmaker's picture
Evasive again, I asked does

Evasive again, I asked does any of the hypothesis that you have presented from AGI, Supersymmetry model and to your new belief of no belief have any peer reviewed papers to support it?!

Is any of it based on anything other then unsubstantiated hypothesis?

TheBlindWatchmaker's picture
Evasive again, I asked does

Evasive again, I asked does any of the hypothesis that you have presented from AGI, Supersymmetry model and to your new belief of no belief have any peer reviewed papers to support it?!

Is any of it based on anything other then unsubstantiated hypothesis?

ProgrammingGodJordan's picture
Sheldon said:

Sheldon said:

So will you stop believing such scientific facts?

1.) As an example, that flat earthers exist, (i.e. believers in flat earth) does not invalidate gravitational theory.

2.) Thereafter belief is irrelevant.

Sheldon's picture
So will you stop believing

So will you stop believing such scientific facts?

You never answered this, just posted some irrelevant straw man about flat earthers?
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"1.) As an example, that flat earthers exist, (i.e. believers in flat earth) does not invalidate gravitational theory."

So do you believe gravitational theory is true?

ProgrammingGodJordan's picture
Sheldon said:

Sheldon said:

So will you stop believing such scientific facts?

You never answered this, just posted some irrelevant straw man about flat earthers?
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"1.) As an example, that flat earthers exist, (i.e. believers in flat earth) does not invalidate gravitational theory."

So do you believe gravitational theory is true?

I detect that my prior response is sufficient.

Sheldon's picture
I detect evasion. Even the

I detect evasion. Even the article you have linked shows you haven't a proper understanding of belief formation and it's consequences for how humans use this cognitive ability for every action they take.

ProgrammingGodJordan's picture
Sheldon said:

Sheldon said:

I detect evasion. Even the article you have linked shows you haven't a proper understanding of belief formation and it's consequences for how humans use this cognitive ability for every action they take.

1.) On the contrary, it is demonstrable that you stopped at the introduction.

2.) Reading further, one may trivially find evidence that contrasts your silly opinions, while supporting my initial expressions.

Sheldon's picture
1.) On the contrary, it is

1.) On the contrary, it is demonstrable that you stopped at the introduction.

2.) Reading further, one may trivially find evidence that contrasts your silly opinions, while supporting my initial expressions.
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1) That's not from the introduction, so well done genius.
2) No you can't, and I challenge you to quote anything from it that claims it is practical, let alone desirable to expunge the human ability to form beliefs.

Off you go Bullwinkle.....I'm sure we're all agog waiting for this one given you cited the article in the first place. Go on show something from it supporting your claim that it is practical, let alone desirable to expunge the human ability to form beliefs.

Sheldon's picture
From the article you linked:

From the article you linked:

"“Every action that we take is grounded in an elaborate web of beliefs and goals. Take the simple act of opening a door. Such an act depends on our beliefs about what lies beyond the door, as well as what is available to us in our current location. At an even more basic level, our attempt to open the door is rooted in a belief that we understand how a door works, and are capable of using it. Furthermore, without the goal of pursuing something beyond the door, the act of opening the door would probably not take place.”"

>>>Now from your web page:

"INTRODUCTION
If you had discarded belief's false necessitation , you probably no longer have many worthless/sub-optimal attachments.......Pertinently , the mind of the non believer is a mind with no beliefs !"

It doesn't quite add up does it?

ProgrammingGodJordan's picture
Sheldon said:

Sheldon said:

"Let's break things down toddler style."

If you think it will help you understand how bizarrely silly your claim is then I'm all for it of course, but I don't hold out much hope I must say.

"1.) You "simply state" that not all beliefs are held absent proper evidence."

No, I simply state that this is axiomatic from the clear dictionary definition, you know the one you keep saying is irrelevant to a discussion about the word you are trying to redefine.
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"2.) You also ask if some beliefs are held with evidence, "how then can you make the blanket claim that beliefs contrast science?"."

Yes for once that is precisely what I asked. Now that you claim to have adopted toddler style reasoning perhaps we can expect you to progress to answering the question rather than just restating it?
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"3.) In simple words, your mind is still focussing on the reality that some beliefs are evidenced based/science agreeing,"

Silly me focusing on reality, but no this isn't true, I have clearly stated that the word definition encompasses beliefs held with and without proper evidence, it is you and not me who is trying to dishonestly focus on just the part of the definition that suits your agenda.

" but you blatantly ignore that the *concept* of belief is science opposing, as such a concept generally facilitates evidence ignorance."

No not ignore but rather reject your concept, since in the case of believing scientific facts this wouldn't be true would it ffs? Jesus wept this must be a windup?
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"4.) In even simpler terms, you confuse my expression: "the concept of belief is science opposing" with an expression I did not make: "all beliefs are science opposing"."

No I'm not confusing those two expressions at all. Your first claim is a silly generalisation that simply ignores the axiomatic fact that **believing scientific facts** cannot by definition be "science opposing", and the second one is simply a lie you keep repeating about what I have claimed.

This is bizarre, part of me has the uneasy feeling I must have been completely taken in by a master troll?

I shall further highlight a particular word, in toddler like fashion:

1.) How embarrasing for you. You are demonstrably confusing those expressions.

2.) That the concept of belief is *generally* science opposing, does not suddenly warrant that all beliefs oppose science.

3.) You ignored the usage of the word "generally", which indicates that belief may encompass both evidence, and non evidence; thus I had not ignored that belief may concern science.

In fact, I mention this on my website.

Oh dear!

Sheldon's picture
Too many lies and repeated

Too many lies and repeated lies from you now to make it worthwhile trying to have an honest discussion. BlindWatchmaker and several others were correct you're not worth bothering with. In the meantime here's your own link you cited in your last few posts in the bizarrely stupid pretext it supports your nonsensical ideas:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4327528/

I suggest you actually read it instead of simply linking it and hoping others won't. Here's a snippet for you...

"“Every action that we take is grounded in an elaborate web of beliefs and goals. Take the simple act of opening a door. Such an act depends on our beliefs about what lies beyond the door, as well as what is available to us in our current location. At an even more basic level, our attempt to open the door is rooted in a belief that we understand how a door works, and are capable of using it. Furthermore, without the goal of pursuing something beyond the door, the act of opening the door would probably not take place.”

ProgrammingGodJordan's picture
Sheldon said:

Sheldon said:

Too many lies and repeated lies from you now to make it worthwhile trying to have an honest discussion. BlindWatchmaker and several others were correct you're not worth bothering with. In the meantime here's your own link you cited in your last few posts in the bizarrely stupid pretext it supports your nonsensical ideas:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4327528/

I suggest you actually read it instead of simply linking it and hoping others won't. Here's a snippet for you...

"“Every action that we take is grounded in an elaborate web of beliefs and goals. Take the simple act of opening a door. Such an act depends on our beliefs about what lies beyond the door, as well as what is available to us in our current location. At an even more basic level, our attempt to open the door is rooted in a belief that we understand how a door works, and are capable of using it. Furthermore, without the goal of pursuing something beyond the door, the act of opening the door would probably not take place.”

1.) How typical of the believer (I am referring to you). He or she identifies something that may align with his/her opinion, and stops there, not searching for opposing evidence.

2.) Wrt to those introductory descriptions you cited, article also went on to say:

Article said:
"There is, for example, no philosophical consensus on what belief is (McKay and Dennett, 2009) or even what constitutes a delusion (Spitzer, 1990; David, 1999; Coltheart, 2007)."

3.) Beyond the above, the article went on to say:

Furthermore, the article said:

"Belief evaluation, even in the absence of frank pathology, has several limitations. People tend to adopt non-optimal hypothesis-testing strategies (Evans, 1989; Gilovich, 1991; Johnson-Laird, 2006; Nickerson, 2008). People, for example, tend to seek confirmatory information that supports their belief and be overly influenced by this information, but neglect information that is critical of their belief (Nickerson, 1998, 2008). People may also use inefficient strategies that waste effort on non-diagnostic data (Fischoff and Beyth-Marom, 1983; Evans, 1989; Johnson-Laird, 2006) or focus on heuristics (Kahneman et al., 1982; Gigerenzer and Gaissmaier, 2011; Kahneman, 2011; see also Gilovich et al., 2002). Indeed, the heuristic of anchoring and adjustment, which reflects the general tendency to rely on initial judgements and discount newly obtained information, means that knowledge received after the initial judgment may be distorted to fit the original hypothesis. In support of this, there is research suggesting that beliefs may persevere even when the initial evidence for the beliefs is discredited (Ross et al., 1975, 1977; Anderson et al., 1980). As a result of these biases, people can accept beliefs without sufficient evidence and also retain incorrect beliefs longer than would be case if they sought out diagnostic information. The collective impact of these tendencies is that people (i.e., their cognitive systems) are unlikely to seek information that contradicts their proto-belief, so long as the proto-belief is consistent with pre-existing beliefs or satisfies strong emotional drivers."

4.) Advice: You ought to read beyond the introduction!

Sheldon's picture
"1.) How typical of the

"1.) How typical of the believer (I am referring to you). He or she identifies something that may align with his/her opinion, and stops there, not searching for opposing evidence."

It was you (not me) who cited it as supporting your beliefs you clown. You are a believer, all humans are, that's what the article you linked is saying. You linked the article which utterly refutes your bullshit, all I did was cite this, I never claimed it supported any position I am taking, so that last part is hilarious given it was you who pasted the link claiming it supported your bullshit when it utterly refuted it, and it was you who had ignored this.
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2.) Wrt to those introductory descriptions you cited, article also went on to say:

Article said:
"There is, for example, no philosophical consensus on what belief is (McKay and Dennett, 2009) or even what constitutes a delusion (Spitzer, 1990; David, 1999; Coltheart, 2007)."

care to show a post of mine claiming otherwise? Or why this alters the other research that shows how essential beliefs are to our cognitive functions interacting with the world? This is priceless now.
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3.) Beyond the above, the article went on to say:....Advice: You ought to read beyond the introduction!"

Nothing I quoted was from the introduction you clown. Straw man again as well, as at no point have I said that beliefs have to be true, are you really this thick?

One last time as simply as it's possible to put it:

I ACCEPT THAT BELIEFS CAN BE BOTH PROPERLY AND IMPROPERLY EVIDENCED.

Why you keep lying about this is bizarre?

ProgrammingGodJordan's picture
Sheldon said:

Sheldon said:

2.) Wrt to those introductory descriptions you cited, article also went on to say:

Article said:
"There is, for example, no philosophical consensus on what belief is (McKay and Dennett, 2009) or even what constitutes a delusion (Spitzer, 1990; David, 1999; Coltheart, 2007)."

care to show a post of mine claiming otherwise? Or why this alters the other research that shows how essential beliefs are to our cognitive functions interacting with the world? This is priceless now.
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3.) Beyond the above, the article went on to say:....Advice: You ought to read beyond the introduction!"

Nothing I quoted was from the introduction you clown. Straw man again as well, as at no point have I said that beliefs have to be true, are you really this thick?

One last time as simply as it's possible to put it:

I had being referring to the "introductory descriptions" prior to the much later sections (which show that belief generally permits ignorance of evidence).

Prior to the use of the expression "introduction", I had used the term "introductory descriptions".

Other words may be used, since the word "introduction" is present in the article, and this has caused issues for you.

Sheldon's picture
"You are demonstrably

"You are demonstrably confusing those expressions. That the concept of belief is *generally* science opposing, does not suddenly warrant that all beliefs oppose science."

I never said all beliefs are science opposing what's more I have pointed out that this is a lie about half a dozen times now. Do you think endlessly repeating a lie about what I have said will lend your pretentious pseudoscientific bullshit some gravitas?

You ignored the usage of the word "generally", which indicates that belief may encompass both evidence, and non evidence; thus I had not ignored that belief may concern science."

No I haven't as I said last time you posted this lie. You're advocating humans entirely abandon the concept of belief, even though some beliefs are scientifically valid, because some of them are not scientifically valid, if you can't see how moronic that is then I feel a bit sorry for, even though you have been a deeply unpleasant prig from the start. Furthermore the way we form beliefs is an essential part of how our minds enable us to interact with the world, to entirely abandon beliefs would not be possible and remain humans. This is in the article you have linked several times, almost as if you either haven't read it, or haven't understood it.

Here's the link again...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4327528/

ProgrammingGodJordan's picture
Sheldon said:

Sheldon said:

Have you actually read any of that article you linked about belief? I'm not sure why you're citing papers that are so obviously at odds with your bizarre claims. Certainly even a cursory reading shows how absurd it is to suggest we could label belief a concept and suggest this 'concept' could be simply abandoned, as you keep claiming. How exactly do we expunge the cognitive processes that enable people to form beliefs, why would we want to anyway since that might well render humans unable to differentiate between true and false claims? The more espouse your idea the less sense it makes.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4327528/

DEFINING BELIEF
Belief can be defined as the mental acceptance or conviction in the truth or actuality of some idea (Schwitzgebel, 2010). According to many analytic philosophers, a belief is a “propositional attitude”: as a proposition, it has a specific meaning that can be expressed in the form of a sentence; as an attitude, it involves a mental stance on the validity of the proposition (Schwitzgebel, 2010). Beliefs thus involve at least two properties: (i) representational content and (ii) assumed veracity (Stephens and Graham, 2004). It is important to note, however, that beliefs need not be conscious or linguistically articulated. It is likely that the majority of beliefs remain unconscious or outside of immediate awareness, and are of relatively mundane content: for example, that one’s senses reveal an environment that is physically real, that one has ongoing relationships with other people, and that one’s actions in the present can bring about outcomes in the future. Beliefs thus typically describe enduring, unquestioned ontological representations of the world and comprise primary convictions about events, causes, agency, and objects that subjects use and accept as veridical.

Although obvious, beliefs are significant because they are held by us to be true and provide the basis for us to understand the world and act within it (Halligan, 2006). Beliefs, or perhaps more realistically belief systems, provide the ‘mental scaffolding’ for appraising the environment, explaining new observations, and constructing a shared meaning of the world (Halligan, 2007). Consider, for example, the fundamental and widespread effects of the transition from Ptolemaic astronomy to Copernican astronomy, from Newtonian physics to Einsteinian physics, or from a miasmatic theory to a germ theory of disease (see Kronemyer and Bystritsky, 2014). In a more immediate sense, beliefs allow us to interpret and appraise our ongoing experience, and to place our experience within a wider meaningful context involving the past and future. As such, beliefs can have significant emotional consequences. Beliefs also provide a basis for action by providing both a representation of the environment and a framework of goals and actions (Tullett et al., 2013). Given this overarching influence of belief on our experience, beliefs that are considered dysfunctional or inaccurate are often the target of psychological interventions (Beck, 1976; Young et al., 2003; Hofmann et al., 2012; Kronemyer and Bystritsky, 2014).

"CHARACTERISTICS AND DIMENSIONS OF BELIEF
Beliefs are best considered as being multidimensional. Beliefs share a number of common properties but can vary across dimensions within these properties. These include the following:

(1)
Beliefs have different origins. Beliefs, for example, can be formed through direct experience or by accepting information from a trusted or authoritative source (Hughes and Sims, 1997; Langdon, 2013).
(2)
Beliefs vary in terms of the level of evidence and support they command. Some beliefs have high levels of evidence, while others appear to be accepted without requiring much evidential support (Lamont, 2007).
(3)
Beliefs can said to be “held” at different levels of awareness. Whereas some beliefs may involve considerable conscious preoccupation and rumination (susceptible to reflective control), other beliefs may appear implicit, unconscious, and only evident by inference from behavior (not susceptible to reflective control; Young et al., 2003).
(4)
Beliefs vary considerably in generality and scope. Beliefs may refer, for example, to specific objects or individuals, groups of objects and people, or whole classes of objects and people (Freeman, 2007).
(5)
Beliefs vary in their degree of personal reference. A belief can be limited to the specific individual holding the belief (e.g., “I am unique”); extend to friends, relatives and other in-group members; or apply to other groups of people or all people equally (Freeman, 2007).
(6)
Beliefs can be held with different levels of conviction or degrees of confidence. This can range from firmly held (e.g., in the case of basic physical laws) to relative uncertainty (e.g., in the case of unfamiliar topics; Peters et al., 2004). In some beliefs, this conviction may even fluctuate over time or across different contexts (Bisiach et al., 1991; Connors and Coltheart, 2011).
(7)
Beliefs vary in their resistance to change in response to counter-evidence and social pressure. While related to conviction, people can also vary in how open they are to disconfirming evidence toward their belief and to considering alternative points of view.
(8)
Beliefs can vary in their impact on cognition and behavior. This may likewise be influenced by degree of conviction. Whereas people may act on some beliefs, they may fail to act on other beliefs that they verbally endorse (Bortolotti, 2013).
(9)
Beliefs can produce different emotional consequences. Whereas some beliefs may be relatively innocuous or even self-serving, other beliefs may cause considerable distress (Beck, 1976).
(10)
Beliefs vary in the degree to which they are shared by other people. Whereas some beliefs are very common, other beliefs may be comparatively unusual (e.g., in the case of some delusions; David, 1999)."

>>>>No, but I'm sure your idea to simply abandon beliefs and for humans to hold a non-belief state is a great idea.

1.) How typical of the believer (I am referring to you). He or she identifies something that may align with his/her opinion, and stops there, not searching for opposing evidence.

2.) Wrt to those introductory descriptions you cited, article also went on to say:

Article further said:
"There is, for example, no philosophical consensus on what belief is (McKay and Dennett, 2009) or even what constitutes a delusion (Spitzer, 1990; David, 1999; Coltheart, 2007)."

3.) Beyond the above, the article went on to say:

Furthermore, the article said:

"Belief evaluation, even in the absence of frank pathology, has several limitations. People tend to adopt non-optimal hypothesis-testing strategies (Evans, 1989; Gilovich, 1991; Johnson-Laird, 2006; Nickerson, 2008). People, for example, tend to seek confirmatory information that supports their belief and be overly influenced by this information, but neglect information that is critical of their belief (Nickerson, 1998, 2008). People may also use inefficient strategies that waste effort on non-diagnostic data (Fischoff and Beyth-Marom, 1983; Evans, 1989; Johnson-Laird, 2006) or focus on heuristics (Kahneman et al., 1982; Gigerenzer and Gaissmaier, 2011; Kahneman, 2011; see also Gilovich et al., 2002). Indeed, the heuristic of anchoring and adjustment, which reflects the general tendency to rely on initial judgements and discount newly obtained information, means that knowledge received after the initial judgment may be distorted to fit the original hypothesis. In support of this, there is research suggesting that beliefs may persevere even when the initial evidence for the beliefs is discredited (Ross et al., 1975, 1977; Anderson et al., 1980). As a result of these biases, people can accept beliefs without sufficient evidence and also retain incorrect beliefs longer than would be case if they sought out diagnostic information. The collective impact of these tendencies is that people (i.e., their cognitive systems) are unlikely to seek information that contradicts their proto-belief, so long as the proto-belief is consistent with pre-existing beliefs or satisfies strong emotional drivers."

4.) Oh dear, does the embarrassment cease for you Sheldon?

5.) Advice: You ought to read beyond the introduction!

Sheldon's picture
I detect no relevance in your

I detect no relevance in your posts, only a repetition of your earlier straw man arguments. Are you going to address the parts of the article that refute your idiotic assertion humans can or should abandon the concept of belief, or are you content to endlessly point out that beliefs can be based on improper evidence as if anyone has ever denied this or that it has any relevance?

Advice don't link articles from google searches until you have read them.

ProgrammingGodJordan's picture
I detect no relevance in your

I detect no relevance in your posts, only a repetition of your earlier straw man arguments. Are you going to address the parts of the article that refute your idiotic assertion humans can or should abandon the concept of belief, or are you content to endlessly point out that beliefs can be based on improper evidence as if anyone has ever denied this or that it has any relevance?

Advice don't link articles from google searches until you have read them.

1.) Contrary to your claim, the article expresses as is underlined in "non-beliefism".

2.) An issue of yours: It is rather clear that you constrain belief to be merely evidenced based, particularly such that you falsely express that the concept of belief is supposedly not science opposing.

Sheldon's picture
Bullwinkle said:

Bullwinkle said:
1.) Contrary to your claim, the article expresses as is underlined in "non-beliefism".

2.) An issue of yours: It is rather clear that you constrain belief to be merely evidenced based, particularly such that you falsely express that the concept of belief is supposedly not science opposing.
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So we can see from the vapid nonsense in your post that precisely as I said, you can't quote anything from the article you linked that claims it is practical, let alone desirable to expunge the human ability to form beliefs as you have claimed. All you can do is repeat your false claim about the article supporting your bilge, and use selection bias to quote mine the parts that support your straw man arguments that no has denied, whilst lying that i have not read past the introduction.

So again I ask, go on show something from it supporting your claim that it is practical, let alone desirable to expunge the human ability to form beliefs.

Tempus fugit....

TheBlindWatchmaker's picture
Oh wow, more garbage that is

Oh wow, more garbage that is unproven and unsubstantiated.

"Although admittedly underspecified and limited by the paucity of research, this non-recursive five stage approach to characterizing belief formation and acceptance has the merits of being relatively parsimonious in the preparation of a more comprehensive integration of findings from cognitive and neuropsychological studies. We suggest that a complete theory of belief will need to account for at least these five stages. We acknowledge, however, that there are a number of challenges to investigating belief and developing a more comprehensive theoretical model".

Another PGJ thought process that leans on something that is unproven and not a scientific fact.

What an absolute waste of time.

ProgrammingGodJordan's picture
The BlindWatchmaker said:

The BlindWatchmaker said:

Oh wow, more garbage that is unproven and unsubstantiated.

"Although admittedly underspecified and limited by the paucity of research, this non-recursive five stage approach to characterizing belief formation and acceptance has the merits of being relatively parsimonious in the preparation of a more comprehensive integration of findings from cognitive and neuropsychological studies. We suggest that a complete theory of belief will need to account for at least these five stages. We acknowledge, however, that there are a number of challenges to investigating belief and developing a more comprehensive theoretical model".

Another PGJ thought process that leans on something that is unproven and not a scientific fact.

What an absolute waste of time.

Yes, it is no surprise that the brain is not fully understood. Thus, I don't detect the relevance of your remark above.

Sheldon's picture
He's delusional, utterly

He's delusional, utterly delusional. I am really thinking the Dunning Kruger effect now, it all fits. He's linking articles as scientific validation, when they roundly refute his claims, then accuses me of quote mining them ffs. Then because one small paragraph said there is currently no philosophical consensus on what beliefs actually are, he tried to claim this made my use of the rest biased, when again he was the one who linked the article not me. On top of which the bit he quoted hardly supports his bullshit idea all humans should somehow expunge the ability to form beliefs from their cognitive ability. Please note he has yet to suggest how we might even achieve this, or what it might mean given the article he linked states plainly that our cognitive ability to to form beliefs form an essential component of how we function in the real world.

If he has a degree I'm frankly stunned, what that says about the university that he attained it from can be nothing good. How can anyone spend 4 years in higher education and so completely lack the ability for any critical thinking.

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Randomhero1982's picture
PGJ strikes again with

PGJ strikes again with another 'theory' of 'his' that is as scientifically proven as white holes.

ProgrammingGodJordan's picture
Random said:

Random said:

PGJ strikes again with another 'theory' of 'his' that is as scientifically proven as white holes.

1.) In toddler like words: Experiments (as cited prior) show that belief generally facilitates ignorance of evidence.

2.) As a quick hint: As cited by Sheldon, dictionary reflects what I had initially underlined, that belief generally facilitates ignorance of evidence.

3.) As another related hint, billions of people (i.e. theists) believe in nonsense.

Sheldon's picture
Do you believe that is true?

Do you believe that is true?

Randomhero1982's picture
Utter bollocks again by you!

Utter bollocks again by you!

The paper states it's not a comprehensive theoretical model, you dumb shit.

And another hint, is any paper you've cited peer reviewed?

Fraud!

Sheldon's picture
"1.) In toddler like words:

"1.) In toddler like words: Experiments (as cited prior) show that belief generally facilitates ignorance if evidence."

That link is just to an earlier post, the link in that is to an article that utterly refutes your claims. The article also says plainly more than once BELIEFS CAN BE HELD WITH OR WITHOUT PROPER EVIDENCE.

"2.) As cited by Sheldon, dictionary reflects what I had initially underlined, that belief generally facilitates ignorance of evidence."

Beliefs can be both evidenced and unevidenced, seeemples. So what?

Sheldon's picture
"3.) As another related hint,

"3.) As another related hint, billions of people (i.e. theists) believe in nonsense."

As do you, quite clearly displayed in this and other threads.

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ProgrammingGodJordan has the

ProgrammingGodJordan has the belief that he is infallible.

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