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you can't prove that cutting someones head off will kill them; yet you want to discuss proof for/against god?!?
1. It makes little, if any, difference to me whether I am 'interpreting' the evidence 'correctly'. I can only look at the world through my own set of eyes, so to speak. The same is true for you. The whole notion that there is some ultimately 'correct' way, outside of each of our own brains, to 'interpret' evidence is pure silliness and completely impossible.
2. I said that I know a lot of things. So do you. I know that the way my brain sees the color blue is the way that it sees the color blue. I also know that my brain saw it differently ten years ago.
3. Okay, I'll rephrase. I absolutely can know that your god is unproven to me.
Really? There is no way to know anything except in our own brains? Well, that is just what your brain thinks, my brain thinks that what your brain thinks is silliness and completely impossible. Therefore, by your reasoning you can't tell me I am wrong in believing God exists, because that is just the way I see it, that is just the way my brain thinks. Right?
So are you putting all of your trust in your brain, knowing that God is unproven? If so, why do you trust your brain?
Once again I contend that the only way reasoning is possible if there are laws of logic, (example, Law of non-contradiction, [which I assume you believe] which states, "It states that contradictory statements cannot both be true in the same sense at the same time, e.g. the two propositions "A is B" and "A is not B" are mutually exclusive." ~wikipedia ) and the only way there are laws of logic which are universal, eternal, and abstract is if the Biblical God exists. Reasoning is possible, therefore God exists.
Oh, witness, I trust my brain because it is what I have. Of course you think differently about things than I do. You get to think whatever you like about what I think. And I really only care about it if you, or anyone else tries to apply it to my body.
Don't you get that human brains are completely responsible for the logic to which you refer? Logic exists in and is a product of our brains. There may very well be creatures who have a completely different set of logical laws. Ergo, these laws of logic are not proven to be universal nor eternal.
I reason about many things and yet I have no gods.
Who are you trying to convince?
So do you think that laws of logic are not universal or eternal? If they are not, there is no point in you even trying to prove anything, science or otherwise. As Van Til put it, "You slay reason on the alter of chance." After all if logic is dependent on a persons brain, then you can't say anything or anyone is wrong. After all a person's brain might believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster and their belief would be completely logical because it agrees with their brain. You say you reason about many things, but don't have any gods. I am not saying that you don't reason, but that because you do reason, God exists. So, so far we come to the place where atheists believe morality is subjective and reason is subjective, what about your own brain?
Who am I trying to convince? I believe I can't convince anyone, I can only show the the complete irrationality of their position and point them to God's Absolute truth. I believe I can only close the critic's mouth, only God can open their heart.
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Wow. You went RIGHT back to using your magic book to prove your magic book. That is... impressive. "You are literally too stupid to insult." - The Hangover. Continue thinking of us as lawless and senseless. That is preferable for us. You set out to have a conversation and get explanations, and you have demonstrated instead that there is absolutely no point in talking to you. Repeating "my magic book is magic" does not count as conversation where I come from. Hope you wake up some day while you are still alive. Logic, out!
Okay, and How do you know anything to be true? Your reason? How are you going to prove your reason, with reason? Using your reason to prove your reason?
Things I know are things I can prove, test, and even predict based upon the scientific method.
I don't read an old book and go, "Wow, I know this is true just because it's in this book." Therein lies the tell-tale hallmark of the pretense of skepticism that many religious people affect. The mounds upon mounds of scientific evidence fails to convince them, but a few passages in an ancient text - the provenance of which is colorful, to say the least - describing magical events is enough to convince them. That's not skepticism, that's bias.
And the only way you can prove anything is because there are laws of logic, and uniformity on nature. Therefore in order to prove laws of logic, or the uniformity of nature, you have to use laws of logic, and the uniformity of nature.
The laws of logic, as you put it, are a good tool for critical thinking.
What is not a good tool of critical thinking: an ancient book of questionable - and sometimes hilarious - provenance says so, and I trust the ancient, illiterate desert tribesmen who thought that leprosy could be cured by smearing a bird's blood all over the sick person (Leviticus 14). For some reason that escapes me, you attribute this to divine wisdom.
Your right laws of logic are a good tool for critical thinking. But that doesn't explain why the are here. (fallacy of irrelevant thesis)
It would be like you asking me, "Where did computers come from?" and me saying, "They are great tools aren't they."
Thank you. Mr. Moronic. My thoughts exactly!
The point is that her magic god book is magic. Jeeeezzz... Pay attention. Really.
I takes 197 posts and seven pages. So far, anyway. And I would imagine that she'll keep on babbling on and on about how her magic book proves that her magic book is magic for as long as she can get anyone to respond to her. Or, knowing the type, perhaps a bit longer... There are s lot of people on here... so I see no end in sight. I've settled myself on the process of popping in from time to time and mocking her with the vastly morally superior teachings and practices of Batman.
Thank you! Because, after all, if Batman isn't real, how does one explain a sunset?!
The Dark Knight MAKES the sun go down so that he can better fight crime.
HE also makes it come back up again in the morning when he's tired so that it's safe while he sleeps.
That seems rather arbitrary, do you have any reasons do believe in Batman? Is it just your mere opinion? Because rational people have a reason to believe in something.
My belief in the Biblical God is not arbitrary. Here are some reasons why,
Only the Biblical God can account for those things we take for granted.
Without the Biblical God you couldn't prove anything, because in order to prove something you need laws of logic which can only come from the God of the Bible.
Without God you couldn't know anything, because in order to know something there has to be Laws of logic, uniformity in nature, reliability of senses and memory, etc. these things are only possible in a Christian worldview.
"these things are only possible in a Christian worldview."
WOW ! such overweening arrogance....
So ,let me get this straight.... the Ancient Greeks ,being pagans and thus not christians could know nothing ,and be totaly ignorant of logical thought.... .likewise the ancient Chinese ,the ancient Egyptians in fact every one who was responsible for the creation of civilisations.
It appears that home schooling is perhaps not quite so good at getting even a rudimentary overview of world history.....
You know that tractor accident.....it didn't involve some sort of head injury...did it?
Oh I am not saying that the Ancient Greeks etc. didn't know anything, but that the only reason they could know something is because the Christian Worldview is true.
"WOW ! such overweening arrogance...."
Are you being arrogant at my arrogance?
BTW for you humor the tractor accident involved a church, I blasted a hole right through it, or the wagon I was pulling did. Thankfully no one was in the Church. I am pretty sure my head was okay though.
"Oh I am not saying that the Ancient Greeks etc. didn't know anything, but that the only reason they could know something is because the Christian Worldview is true."
OK Caleb .....I'll bite......
tell me more about this strangely powerful Christian worldview ...
So powerful indeed that it was apparently in operation some centuries before Christianity existed. But then ,of course it couldn't be a Christian worldview .... could it ?
I am saying that the Ancient Greeks had their own worldview, but that they were borrowing things that are only possible in a Christian Worldview. Just like you.
How the heck did the ancient Greeks borrow from xtians before there were xtians?
Funny, eh? Somehow all of logic and reason is founded upon a worldview that was created after the Greek philosophers. Only a Christian could make this stuff up...
The Greeks used logic, which I contend is only possible if the Biblical God exists, therefore "borrowing" for the Biblical Christian worldview. Although they didn't know it.
The Greeks did use logic, which appears to work even better without the existence of a deity which violates it, so I don't really see any reason to put much credence in you contention.
Oh, I don't believe God is irrational.
Oh, yes, because logic and rationality depends entirely on belief...