I think for the amount of people who still believe a god of creation exists it just proves our species hasn't fully evolved with intelligence enough to know the opposite is actually true. An example of another species in that some are intelligent and the rest are mediocre intelligent is the feline, here's proof: the lion is the ONLY feline/cat species among all of them that is smart enough to know that banding together/living socially is the way to be successful in surviving thus thriving. This is the reason they are deemed "king of beasts." But thrive they are no more.... why...simple...man/humans. This reality that is now makes me hate those that are so freaking ignorant and "stupid" to take all this planet has to offer and destroy...
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SerengetiLion: "the opposite is actually true. " Really?
You must be using "true" in some way that I do not understand the word. That which I accept as true is valid, verifiable, measurable, and demonstrable. While I don't believe in god or gods, and while I can show many to be "not true." I would not assert as you have "The opposite is true, without sufficient evidence." Is absence of evidence, evidence of absence? If so, how would that make a statement "true."
Really? What do you imagine that means. Are you asserting that there is a time when evolution will cease? Are you asserting that there is an ultimate goal for evolution? What is this "fully evolved" thing you speak of? What will humanity look like when it is "Fully Evolved?"
CAT BONDING: Your assertion about cats is just biologically wrong.
This reality that is now makes me hate those that are so freaking ignorant and "stupid" to take all this planet has to offer and destroy...
WOW! Now there is a leap of logic. What is unfortunate is that your misinformation and ridged opinion will probably keep most people from taking you, in any way, seriously.
GREAT FIRST POST - I think you are going to find the average Atheist around here a bit wiser than what you seem used to - assuming of course that you have gotten away with statements like the OP on other sites.
Beyond that - welcome --- I am sure you are going to be at the root of a whole lot of controversy around here.
"the amount of people who still believe a god of creation exists"
Argumentum ad populum fallacy, the number of people who hold a belief tells us nothing about its validity. This is also a very tired old cliche even for religious apologetics.
"our species hasn't fully evolve"
No such thing as "fully evolved" as evolution is an insentient process that has no end goal. However species evolution is an objective scientific fact, the scientific theory that explains it has amassed a weight of objective evidence that puts it beyond any reasonable doubt. As opposed to the superstitious hokum of creationism and it's propaganda movement of ID, which can't demonstrate any objective empirical evidence at all to support its superstious claims and beliefs.
"hate those that are so freaking ignorant and "stupid" to take all this planet has to offer and destroy..."
Why do you care if the world will end in a maelstrom of destructive vengeance from a capricious all powerful deity?
Your cat analogy is asinine sorry. Some animals have evolved to live in societies or groups, whilst others have not, this is not a benchmark for evolved intelligence.
This will be a hit and run atheist Sheldon. But-hurt angry wannabe who gets a kick out of playing superiority with theists who swallow the shit being shoveled.
would state that since the people believe in a GOD this can`t prove God but i would say that the likelihood of there being a God is possible.Since we are the extreme of the species the highest order so far know from the beginning of things i take it to be a good indication for a GOD.there are just to many coincidents, Since it says something for the argument for God. The people have reviewed the evidence and have come away with the result that there sure looks like a GOD overseeing things as they play out.As life unfolds peoples experiences and examination of the evidence leads them to conclude that there is a GOD.
What objective evidence do you have that your god is real?
All you have is subjective evidence coming from your mind.
Well since you mention the brain I can comprehend by using the utility of my mind. We can`t see the mind but we know that it exist in the brain somewhere. Well the same for Theism we don`t see God but I know that he is there.I can only speak for myself since i am Billy so i think so therefore I am.Yes i could only give my own personnel opinion. But i will now include what i THINK IS AN OBJECTIVE EXPLANATION FOR gODS EXISTENCE. And that is OBJECTIVE MORAL VALUES. This comes from outside of me yet i adhere to it. I objectively look at it and i INCORPORATE IT INTO MY LIFE.Things like rape and murder we all know are wrong and try our best to refrain from such behaviour.It is wrong because it is a gross violation against my neighbor, this doesn`t come from something that I configured but from what i believe is Gods laws.From outside of me totally objective because it applies to eveyone not just me.
@ bally zorcany
"We can`t see the mind but we know that it exist in the brain somewhere."
I guess you have never heard of SPECT, PET scan?
Have you not read the bible? You know, where god orders genocide (fictional, imo) repeatedly? I guess he didn't get his own memo?
"But i will now include what i THINK IS AN OBJECTIVE EXPLANATION FOR gODS EXISTENCE. And that is OBJECTIVE MORAL VALUES. This comes from outside of me yet i adhere to it"
Leviticus 19:19 ... "Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee."
Billy, do you wear garments of mixed sources, for example, cotton and polyester?
You still haven't provided objective evidence that your god is real.
Morals are subjective, coming from the mind and the laws of your society.
I will have to apply xenoview's razor to your objective morals claim.
Objective claims requires objective evidence.
Objective evidence is that we hold to moral values not becauase we do it ourselves but that God who oversees everything wills it. he is the 3rd party here. it comes not from our subjective frame of mind but in gods stating it to us.its good because God expects it from us and nothing more would suffice.
@ billy zarcone
Dude. You need to give me some of that weed you are smoking.
You have not provided any objective evidence for morals. If your god made the morals, then they are subjective morals coming from god's mind.
The "God is real because there are too many coincidences argument." Oh hell! How in the fuck are we going to refute that one! (Do you have an ability to say anything at all that is not born of complete and utter nonsense?)
Well haven`t you experienced things that couldn`t be explained in your life or the people that you know. I can`t believe that you never had some kind of happening to you that you were amazed. Well I believe that is GOD working things out in our lives.God has been so helpful to me, Yes he exist i am sure of that.
@ billy zarcone
If you are that sure of your belief, then you why did you come here? Why aren't you on a religious forum board?
billy zarcone. "Well haven`t you experienced things that couldn`t be explained"
When I experience something I can't explain. I usually say "Wow, I can't explain that." Not GOD GOD GOD GOD GOD
Please prove God has been helpful to anyone. When has god ever cured an amputee?
Have your God do one demonstrable thing that is directly and unquestionably linked to him.
i could give you and site you some things that have transpired in my life that was really unusual.Yes I considered amputees for a long time why they werent restored back to the limbs they once had. But that doesn`t deter me from saying that gOD doesn`t intercede in peoples lives. Your doing what you claimed me to be doing. signaling out one isolated thing and discounting all the rest.
I have to wonder if you would still believe in your god if you ever became a quadruple amputee.
When your mom has to change your diaper for you for the 1000th time because you soiled yourself again waiting for help to make it to a toilet are you going to consider hey, ya know why is it my "god" can supposedly selectively cure all sorts of other terrible ailments, but not my missing limbs?
Then again as a quadruple amputee the only thing you can look forward to is the unproven myth of heaven/afterlife. May compel a guy to cling even more tightly to their myths.. hmm.
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yes I would still keep on having faith in my GOD, I would be assuming that he sees my suffering and is right there by my side. You see logic it doesn`t matter what or how this God acts towards me I love him regardless, just for being there and loving me in his son Jesus Christ my love is not conditional as many things in this society are. I am completely believing in him totally 100% devoted to him. He is my everything in life LOGICFTW.
@Billy Z Re: "You see logic it doesn`t matter what or how this God acts towards me I love him regardless,.."
Wow.... I do wish I had a nickle for every time I heard that line from a woman who refuses to get out of an abusive relationship. Getting called to the same house for the same abusive problems several times a month to arrest one or both parties and/or have one of them loaded on an ambulance headed to the hospital. Yep, sounds like a wonderful relationship. A match made in heaven.... *rolling eyes*....
Then what are you doing here? You are not here to debate. You are not here to explore. You are on the site spouting complete nonsense. There is no position at all that can not be believed upon by using faith. Faith is as useless as your posts.
So what has your god done for YOU?
And please, not the "it makes me feel good". I need something concrete. For example, did you win the lottery? Did a distant relative bequeath you a million dollars? What has your god, who you states loves you, done for you?
The problem of evil: Every year the world gets less evil. In the limit we will reach near perfection and quite soon in evolutionary terms too. So God was justified in creating the universe - a little bit of evil to start with that reduces rapidly.
I'm very sorry for people who have problems in this life, but on a cosmic scale, the solution God choose was the only viable one.
Not for anything Dan but i find fault in your assumption that the world is getting less evil. The book that I espouse to is the holy bible and it states uniquvically that things are going to get bad.I`m a Judean-Christian believer and the outcome isn`t going to be to good. I accept the book of revelation as Gods word wholly. Only those who persevere and hold out at the end will survive.
Great, now we got two guys arguing over who's imaginary friend would win in a fist fight. Sounds like a bad youtube video.
This is AWESOME!!!... *Giant Smile*... The moment I have been waiting on ever since I joined this site. Watching two theists argue over which of them is the TRUE Christian!... *clapping excitedly*.... *giggling*.... Oh, boy. Christmas came early!... *staring in gleeful awe*....
***tree standing nearby shakes branches***
***popped popcorn comes raining down***
Free popcorn! Everyone grab a bucket.
The book of revelations was written 2000 years ago and it deals with events that took place 2000 years ago. It's audience is long dead and the kingdoms it talks about are all disappeared. Its a historical prophesy if you see what I mean; it does not apply to modern times.
Well not as the catholic and protestants churches see it. I was just at mass today and the priest talked about several things about that are equated to the end times. I tend to go with the experts then on what you claim. you are not talking or speaking about mainline Christianity.i don`t know who your sources are or what kind of text that you read, but it is definitely not mainline Christianity.