Why I believe in god

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Sheldon's picture
You seem to have made up your

You seem to have made up your own religion, and are calling it christianity.

Homergreg's picture
There are Christian

There are Christian denominations with a much more liberal view than I have. It's just that so much focus is devoted to the more fundamental Evangelicals.


Tin-Man's picture
Re: Hoser's link

Re: Hoser's link

Based on just the first paragraph, it looks to me like...

"Aw, shit. People aren't as ignorant as they once were and are starting to figure out the events in the bible are not historically accurate"... *nervous nail biting*... "QUICK! PLAN "B"! Let's just start teaching it as though we ALWAYS knew that and are simply using those stories as metaphors and analogies for important life lessons! Surely they will HAVE TO believe THAT, right?"

Damn science... Always interfering with the perfect words of god... Tsk-tsk-tsk...

Cognostic's picture
@Hypocracy in Action: Homer

@Hypocracy in Action: Homer creates God in his own mind and then accuses man of making God into something. Yes homer, you have certainly explained that. Now lie down and take your meds. It's time for your nap.

Homergreg's picture
So accept God and the book

So accept God and the book compiled completely or reject it all completely, or one is a hypocrite?

Sheldon's picture
Homer "So accept God and the

Homer "So accept God and the book compiled completely or reject it all completely, or one is a hypocrite?"

Straw man alert....OMS is bang on the money, you seem to have created your own religion, but are calling it christianity, and worse we have to torture little snippets about what you believe out of you, it's all getting a bit tedious tbh.

No evidence, no rational arguments, and the bible is a pick and mix you disregard whenever its claims are problematic. It's all a bit woolly and wishy washy tnh.

Cognostic's picture
@Homer: Did you read the post

@Homer: Did you read the post? Do you know how to read? Are you as fucking stupid as you pretend to me. "Creating a god in your own mind and then accusing man of creating Gods" is a fucking hypocritical position. NO ONE SAID A FUCKING THING ABOUT THE BIBLE. If you learned how to read you would not be coming off like such an ignorant dweep. Respond to the posts and not to the dipshit dumbfuck stuff going on in your own mind.

Whitefire13's picture
So Homer, those fruits ..

So Homer, those fruits ...those human qualities, are they human? From your posts...

The bible isn’t from god or god’s word.

We don’t know what Jesus said (he didn’t write anything down) - if I grant you his physical existence, which I’m OK with but any miracle claim I am not...which BTW would only be backed by a book that isn’t “from god’s spirit”

Jesus never gave the “fruits” - Paul did to the Galatians (he’s a whole other story)

Prayer has a calming effect (assume) which may allow one to respond instead of react and focuses the mind (a form of meditation)

So, to sum up what I’ve gathered... a good list of human qualities is noticed in a book. Credit is given to someone who didn’t write the list (Jesus instead of Paul). These gifts of spirit (God’s spirit) only come when you pray, but anything else from God’s Spirit, namely the book that these qualities are in is rejected.

Uh, Jesus said...
Matthew 12:30-32: "Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. (Confirmation bias - also a George Bush sorta thing to say)
And so I tell you, any sin and blasphemy can be forgiven. But blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.

You better find a better book to find some good human qualities and meditation and stuff...or watch some good movies....

Homergreg's picture
Here is what Jesus said on it

Here is what Jesus said on it:

“aI am the true vine, and My Father is the bvinedresser.

2 “Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He 1prunes it so that it may bear more fruit.

3 “aYou are already 1clean because of the word which I have spoken to you.

4 “aAbide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit 1of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me.

5 “I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he abears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing.

6 “If anyone does not abide in Me, he is athrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.

7 “If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, aask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.

8 “My aFather is glorified by this, that you bear much fruit, and so 1bprove to be My disciples.

9 “Just as athe Father has loved Me, I have also loved you; abide in My love.

10 “aIf you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as bI have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

I don't pretend to put that scripture on anyone else, I just followed that idea and gained my fruit, I got results as described. I have no way of knowing if Jesus is the only vine or not, he did say that, but I don't know if he meant that for his audience and time, all I know is my experience.

Sheldon's picture


You seem obsessed with fruit...

Nyarlathotep's picture
Homer - Here is what Jesus

Homer - Here is what Jesus said on it:...

You don't know what Jesus did or didn't say.

Homergreg's picture
"Here is a parable attributed

"Here is a parable attributed to Jesus"


Sheldon's picture


Yeah, I've arbitrarily decided that part of the bible is bollocks, sorry.

Whitefire13's picture
I’m starting to think it’s

I’m starting to think it’s moved out of obsession to “fetish”. .....ooooohhhhhh

This fruit feels sooooo good....

I’m done with Homer. His mental masturbation has crossed some weird line that is fucked up.

Homergreg's picture
Oh btw, if I happen to vanish

Oh btw, if I happen to vanish off the site, I recently got a spontaneous log off and couldn't even reset my password, with my email so I emailed the admin to get me put back in case I had been banned. Not sure if I'm doing this at a level that is raising ires enough to have that sort of action or it's a site glitch. If it is the former I'll back off on the level of my assertions.

Tin-Man's picture
@Hoser Re: "Not sure if I'm

@Hoser Re: "Not sure if I'm doing this at a level that is raising ires enough to have that sort of action or it's a site glitch."

Thank you for once again confirming your true trolling intentions. Congratulations. You have learned to keep you trolling methods just below the level that would warrant your being expelled. Oh, and by the way, you are not "raising any ires" here. You are simply making yourself look like a complete imbecile. But, hey, whatever increaseses your fruit, dude.... *shrugging shoulders*...

Oh, quick question if you don't mind. Does your mommy bring your food down to you in her basement, or does she make you go upstairs to get it yourself?

Sheldon's picture


Maybe your posts are so vapidly bland they set off the site's security software?

Homer " I'll back off on the level of my assertions."

Now that's funny as fuck...deliberate?

Cognostic's picture
@Homer: Why wouldn't you

@Homer: Why wouldn't you assume your god is punishing you for making him look like a complete dip-shit in charge of all the other dip-shits?

Whitefire13's picture
Nah, assert away. Opinion

Nah, assert away. Opinion away. Take yourself seriously ... You don’t get banned for THAT

Me?!? First time I was “auto” logged off I couldn’t even remember the name I picked “Whitefire13” - scared the shit outta me.

NewSkeptic's picture


Wish you could have met Fergs. You two would have hit it off marvelously.

I go back to my main question. Do you care in the slightest if what you believe is actually true?

Homergreg's picture
I would love to know if what

I would love to know if what I believe is true! I just don't have anything but my senses to base my belief on. With the absence of better evidence one way or the other I'm going with the evidence I have, and that's the joy.

If something proves me wrong on that before I'm done in this world, I'll have had what I have had while it lasted.

Sheldon's picture
Homer "I just don't have

Homer "I just don't have anything but my senses to base my belief on."

And your senses are easily deceived, which is rather the point.

Homer "With the absence of better evidence one way or the other I'm going with the evidence I have, and that's the joy."

As others have pointed out, joy in a belief is not a measure of it's validity, remember the Voltaire quote you ignored.

Homergreg's picture
Yet there is no way to

Yet there is no way to determine the validity of the belief of a God.

So one makes the choice.

Cognostic's picture
@Homer: Yet there is no way

@Homer: Yet there is no way to determine the validity of the belief of a God.

Do you have any idea at all, what the word validity means?
"the quality of being logically or factually sound; soundness or cogency."

Sheldon's picture
Homer "Yet there is no way

Homer "Yet there is no way to determine the validity of the belief of a God.

So one makes the choice."

I disagree, there is no choice to make, thus one cannot commit to belief.

Homergreg's picture
Yet I still do.

Yet I still do.

Sheldon's picture
@Homer Indeed, it's baffling.


Indeed, it's baffling.

Cognostic's picture
Homer: "The unreliability

Homer: "The unreliability of senses." You have been proved wrong since the beginning of time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwV1xJu8qqM

We invented fucking Science and "Independent Verification" to combat the 'FACT' that our senses are 'NOT RELIABLE."

Homergreg's picture
I understand senses lie, yet

I understand senses lie, yet I use them in every aspect of life.

What's the risk? When we're all dead am I going to hear some dumbass monkey telling me that he told me so?

Cognostic's picture
@Homer: And until then you

@Homer: And until then you will sound like a fucking idiot. Hey! It's your life. Every village needs an idiot. I guess you can be ours.


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