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how can you hate something that doesn't exist?
The only way you could know for sure that god existed is if you were god.
Sapporo,
Don't you possess most of the powers attributed to the biblical Yahweh?
No, because I am a transformer rather than a creator, and I am not all-powerful.
Sapporo,
Don't you know the difference between good and evil, just like Yahweh? Can't you create and destroy life? Can't you fly though the sky and walk on the ocean floor? Can't you walk on the moon? Can't you cook without fire and see distant galaxies? Can't you create new elements and super glue? Can't you give yourself new lungs, kidneys, and a heart? Can't you communicate with anyone on the planet instantaneously? Don't you know what's happening on the other side of the planet right now? Can't you destroy the world? Can't you defeat iron chariots? Can't you turn powder into milk?
You, as a specific individual, may not have all of those capabilities, but other people do so they are just as powerful as the biblical Yahweh was alleged to have been.
@Dio. Re: As powerful as Yahweh
Hey, at the very least, I am quite confident I could write a more clear, concise, and comprehensive instruction manual for Man to follow. LOL
I would say you would have to be God to know for sure there is no God. Wouldn't it be possible to meet God and know he exists?
@ Ryan
"I would say you would have to be God to know for sure there is no God" I just explained this t another theist poster so I hope this is understandable to you.
Most christians have a great deal of difficulty with it.
Atheism is the ABSENCE of belief in a god or gods. It is NOT a belief that there are no gods. Do you see the difference?
Atheism is NOT 'faith' based' it is the exact opposite of that, it is the zero or null position.
And so to the second part of your post:
"Wouldn't it be possible to meet God and know he exists?"
No it would not.
The first step for you is to provide evidence that a god or gods (I don't care which) exists. Then once encountering this being you have introduced, independently corroborate the encounter, then we have to examine the facts, accompanying phenomena and ascertain whether this 'thing' you call 'god' has met the criteria offered to be considered divine.
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Arthur C Clarke. What you may introduce as 'god' may be something else entirely.
Now go study* and come back with answers.
* Hint, you tube videos are not considered evidence.
(Edited to add comment about evidence)
ryan,
"Wouldn't it be possible to meet God and know he exists?"
Which God are you talking about? The word "God" is just a title. All ethnocentric deities have individual names and unique capabilities. They are all different creatures.
http://www.graveyardofthegods.org/deadgods/listofgods.html
I have met Santa many times and I still know santa does not exist.
I would have to serve the God - I would have no choice. Because the God would know that I know that the God is real because the God knows everything..
The God would not be pleased to know that I was rebelling against its rules. Even Satan and the Demons of the Bible stories, they all at one time served God because the God created them for the purpose and and placed them in the sYstem of service to the God.
However, the God of the Bible has given mankind and the spirit world a very high level of ability to make EACH ONE their own personal choice to serve The God or to Serve against The God or to serve themselves or another God...
Satan is still under the power and subjectivization of God and will be forced to someday be removed from the current activity of influencing mankind.
@ scolding asshole
What a bunch of proselytizing BULLSHIT!
Fucking prove it asshole. Prove anything that you posted!
Fucking lying asshole!
@ scolding hottie
"Satan is still under the power and subjectivization of God and will be forced to someday be removed from the current activity of influencing mankind"
Love to see a skerrick of evidence for this one! Fabulous!
Prove your claim...please! Cant wait!
And I tell your god to kiss my ass.
If I was to worship any god, it would be Satan, at least that dude is honest. Both are incredibly evil, but at least one is frank and more open.
@Scolding hottie
Oh, lordy, little lady. You done gone 'n' kicked the hornet's nest with that one. Hope you are wearing a bee keeper suit. Meanwhile, to give you a little clue as to your flawed reasoning (totally aside from the fact we do not believe in a god in the first place), you say you would "have no choice but to serve the God". Wrong. You always have a choice. Secondly, WHICH GOD??? If you are talking about the Christian God, then he supposedly ALREADY KNOWS exactly how I feel about him (IF he were real), so pretending to worship and serve him would be a ridiculous waste of time. Furthermore, (and this is the biggie), if Satan is under the "power and subjectivization" (whatever the hell that is) of God, then WHY in the unholy name of all creatures big and small is God allowing Satan to do ANYTHING AT ALL??? Please explain to me how that is any indicator of a kind, benevolent, and all-loving "god" in any way, shape, or form. And you would actually want to worship and serve something like that??? Wow... Personally, I think I would side up with the devil and take my chances. I prefer a good fight as opposed to bowing down to some narcissistic, insecure, temper-tantrum throwing, egotistical bully. But - hey - that's just me.
I don't believe in any supernatural myths be it deities devils or demons, as no one can demonstrate a shred of objective evidence to support the claim.
Since you don't even pretend to try and evidence any of your rather rambling and disjointed list of assertions they all get Hitchens's razor.
Mykcob4
Somewhere in here mykcob4 commented something about if I thought I would convert anyone on here? The answer is maybe or hopefully but I think that thought was very wishful and I definitely don't see that happening now. Could I be wrong about everything, yes I could be. Maybe there is no God. I have struggled with this my whole life. I cant introduce you to him and I cant tell you for sure that he exists. I was listening to allen krouse not sure on how to spell his name but I am sure you all know him. Why do atheist jump on the "you lie" band wagon so easily cant people just be wrong or deceived or mislead or confused or maybe it comes out differently they how they really meant it.
@ Ryan
"Why do atheist jump on the "you lie" band wagon so easily"
As the probability is 99.999% that every one has been lied to by every pastor, evangelist and "religious' person they have met iis it not entirely reasonable that the first reaction from a jaded atheist would be "liar?"
When unfounded claims are made in 'real life' are people polite? Or when you insist "the pink monkey drove up and ate all the doughnuts then disappeared in a blue spotted spaceship" do you think the policeman will nod wisely and take down your evidence? Or would there be a much more hurtful reaction?
Its not a considered insult, it is a reaction to the several metric tonnes of samo samo bullshit that every misguided evangelist drops in here as they drive by. If you attempt to answer the questions put to you and act reasonably then you will be able to settle down and learn. Act stupidly and without thought and you will get 'slapped, and slapped hard'
Enjoy your stay.
ryan,
All Gods are imaginary. The version of God that you believe in is completely different from everyone else's. Each believer worships his own imaginary deity. Your's is completely different than your mother's and her's is different from your father's. In the future you will worship a different God than the one you worship now. That's because as you age your experiences change how you see things. You will be a different person in 20 years.
If any God was real he would be in plain sight for all to see. Instead he's hiding (not real) so all you have is your imagination and you create the type of God you want. As I said, you will imagine another one in the future. And no one will believe in him except for you.
Can you imagine if Yeshua was still wiggling on the cross after 2,000 years? Now that would be impressive. If he was real he could do such a thing.
@ oldmanshouts
Atheism is the ABSENCE of belief in a god or gods. It is NOT a belief that there are no gods. Do you see the difference?
This is something I didn't know, I thought if you were an atheist, then your stance is there is NO Gods, like adamantly apposed to it. So your saying you don't have a belief in God but it is possible that there is one out there, is that correct? Do you all feel that way? What are you called if you believe there is NO gods period?
ryan,
I simply don't care if one or a billion Gods exist and if you had proof for all of them. I have no intention of worshiping any of them, imaginary or real.
@ Ryan
You do have google right?
atheism
ˈeɪθɪɪz(ə)m
noun
disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.
That is atheism
The belief that there are no god or gods is an entirely different thing. that is Anti -Theism. ( The 'belief bit is the part all the pastors mistakenly ascribe to atheists)
Agnostics: Agnosticism is the view that the existence of God, of the divine or the supernatural is unknown or unknowable.
Then you ask:
"So your saying you don't have a belief in God but it is possible that there is one out there, is that correct?"
No, I am saying that I have no belief in a god or gods. End of sentence.
Should incontrovertible evidence be presented that a god or gods exist then, of course, I would be a theist.
I have no interest in any 'possibility' of a god. Anything is possible, some things have a vanishingly small probability of occurring.
Are getting an inkling of how silly your OP was? Are you understanding what I wrote to you about the other gods and your serious underestimation of the community here?
1) Atgeism is defined in the dictionary, how can you not know what it means?
2) whether a deity can possibly exist or not depends on how you define deity. Humans have created a lot of them.
3) You are is not abbreviated as your, why do no theists on here not know this?
"What are you called if you believe there is NO gods period?"
An atheist. The word for belief in s deity is theist, the absence of that belief is atheist. There are different types of atheists, but atheism only means the lack of a single belief. It is not therefore a belief, though an atheist may hold any number of beliefs.
Page 7 and I see he's already using Hoyle's fallacy. Are theists not allowed to use Google or something?
Why would anyone think the odds against random events producing extreme complexity are reduced when you throw in inexplicable magic by a deity from a bronze age superstition?
Why the beef with Youtube? YouTube only hosts videos they do not produce them. I guarantee your favorite atheists are on YouTube does that now mean they are BS? Shouldn't we judge the content of the video not the video host?
@ Ryan
I have no 'beef' with you tube, however many theists come bouncing in here having watched a video or two, keen as mustard, thinking they have the answers and importantly the 'evidence' to back up their claims. Nu uh. Nope.
I was just warning you to not accept what you see as "evidence" because it isn't. You tube may give you some clues where to look for convincing arguments and even facts but it is a resource for real knowledge? Have you seen Ken Hams videos? LMAO.
If you want to be taken seriously never ever (unless you want to me laugh out loud) link a youtube vid of a pastor here.
What, no comment on my last post defining atheism for you? Are you still digesting it?
I was looking at a lot forum threads on here and yes a lot of Christians come in make a few comments and bounce.
@ Ryan
You are an exception; in my limited experience on these forums , you, (apart from a couple of truly epic boo boos) have asked questions, have not been afraid of getting hard answers and have stuck with us even after the "attack of the mykcob" (Coming to a bloodbath near you in glorious monochrome!)
Now all you have to do is start answering those hard questions posed to you, don't worry, the answers you get to your responses will help you find the right places to get the answers you seek.
The quest for knowledge necessarily involves many wrong responses, and many answers yet to be understood.
@ oldmanshouts
I think we actually agree on one thing I am not a fan of ken Ham or ken Hovand they are very similar in their beliefs. I was actually embarrass when he debated bill the science guy. That is how I ended up finding what I now believe, reasons to believe movement and yes it is different then the intelligent design movement.
@ Ryan
" reasons to believe"
Oh dear oh dear. Well if you are on a search for knowledge you can bring that here. There are several scientists and logicians on this forum such as Nyarlothep, CyberLyn,LTW, Sheldon, who will be very happy to demolish Mr Ross and his happy clappy delusions. Wear your tin helmet Ryan, you are in for a grand eye opening ride.
Me, as you gathered I do history and archeology, those are my passions. Both of which give a lie to the whole biblical history as presented by the modern churches.
Have you got it yet Ryan? Nearly everyone on this forum is an avid seeker of truth, not the 'woo' solution to the universe and all that? We like facts, evidence, discussion. All those things I think you really want but have failed to find in any church or two bit pseudo scientist like Ross.
Keep posting Ryan. It is good talking to you.
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