@Ricswordfish

Umm, not sure what you mean?

Are you suggesting that we have an obligation to disprove your claims?. We have no such obligation. As the person making the claim, it is you who must provide the proof or your claims .

This may be difficult for you because it's pretty clear you haven't grasped the difference between a claim,,speculation and proof .

I'll start > Most christians accept that Moses could not have written all of the Torah. The main reason for this is that Deuteronomy records Moses' death. THAT is a statement of fact, not speculation ;

Deut 34 Then Moses climbed Mount Nebo from the plains of Moab to the top of Pisgah, across from Jericho. There the LORD showed him the whole land—from Gilead to Dan,
2 all of Naphtali, the territory of Ephraim and Manasseh, all the land of Judah as far as the Mediterranean Sea,
3 the Negev and the whole region from the Valley of Jericho, the City of Palms, as far as Zoar.
4 Then the LORD said to him, “This is the land I promised on oath to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob when I said, ‘I will give it to your descendants.’ I have let you see it with your eyes, but you will not cross over into it.”
5 And Moses the servant of the LORD died there in Moab, as the LORD had said.
6 He buried him in Moab, in the valley opposite Beth Peor, but to this day no one knows where his grave is.
7 Moses was a hundred and twenty years old when he died, yet his eyes were not weak nor his strength gone.
8 The Israelites grieved for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days, until the time of weeping and mourning was over.
9 Now Joshua son of Nun was filled with the spirit of wisdom because Moses had laid his hands on him. So the Israelites listened to him and did what the LORD had commanded Moses.
10 Since then, no prophet has risen in Israel like Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face,
11 who did all those signs and wonders the LORD sent him to do in Egypt—to Pharaoh and to all his officials and to his whole land.
12 For no one has ever shown the mighty power or performed the awesome deeds that Moses did in the sight of all Israel.

IT is my position that the Exodus almost certainly did not Happen and Moses did not exist. IE it's myth. This opinion is based on recent archaeological evidence I do not claim this as truth, merely as having a high probability. . I can't prove it so will not even try to convince you of its likelihood --THAT's called "speculation:"

Now you have claimed that arguments put to you are speculation. Fine, I hadn't noticed. Could you perhaps list say half a dozen .?

Finally, you seem to be conflating 'evidence' and 'proof' . They are NOT THE SAME ;'Evidence 'is ANYTHING provided to support a claim. Hence; the entire bible, writings by people such as Flavius Josephus, and personal experience, are ALL for say the existence of God. ----What they are NOT is PROOF.

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PS I don't claim that religious beliefs per se . Indeedly doodly not. My position is that ORGANISED RELIGION is a scam, I'll go further; it is my position that organised religion is the greatest confidence trick ever perpetrated on the human race. Obviously, I can't prove that as an absolute truth ,However, I am sufficiently convinced to live as if it is true. BUT I do not argue this position with the intention of changing anyone's mind.

Oi, Rickswordfish! You missed this....

How does a prediction coming absolutely true, no matter how unlikely, evidence anything supernatural has occurred?

Nice touch giving yourself one agree though, the troll credentials are piling up.

Ah, Grinseed, I think you may be right. We have one of the dreaded Big 'C' christians. These poor unfortunates are so insecure in their faith, that they are impervious to critical thinking or facts. They wrap themselves warmly with a thick blanket of cognitive dissonance .All the while insisting loudly that they are in the possession of an absolute, exclusive truth.

There is another kind of Christian, which I call "the small 'c' christian. The best example I can think of is my late mother. Mum died in April this year at age 92, after having received last rites .Mum gave witness to her deep faith not by proselytising or loud proclamations of her faith. Instead, mum gave witness by the way she lived. At her funeral, people unknown to me or my family gave eulogies, telling of how mum had helped them .

I can't think of anyone I know who is as widely loved as was my mother.

WE AREN'T HISTORY TEACERS - GO DO YOUR OWN GOOGLE SEARCH

Nebuchadnezzar's Conquests
In 601 B.C. Nebuchadnezzar attempted the invasion of Egypt but was repulsed with heavy losses. Judah rebelled, but Jerusalem fell in March 597 B.C., and the ruler, Jehoiakim, and his court were deported to Babylon. Encyclopedia.com

https://www.encyclopedia.com/people/history/ancient-history-middle-east-...

@Rickswordfish

Please just help me with my question

Here is your answer, but you are not going to like it. You will deny it, you will try to figure out what is wrong with it, or just flat out ignore it.

All the evidence of god ever presented, is evidence that it is a human created lie. We can all agree humans are capable of lying and capable of creating fiction whether intentional or not.

No humans, no god. The ultimate evidence. Take the Americas an entire half of the globe, for 1500 years (since jesus christ supposedly lived) no one living in the americas ever heard of jesus christ. Jesus christ flatout did not exist to these people. There was zero evidence for them, they would have to wait until colonization (as brutal as it was to them,) to even HEAR of jesus christ. No humans no jesus christ.

Then you look for evidence of god (or jesus christ) that does not involve humans. How much have we found? How much do you even know of? Yep that's right. ZERO. There is more "evidence" for santa claus, the tooth fairy, (as poor and weak that evidence is!) then there is for the various god ideas.

Worse still people have been trying to "evidence" their god idea for 1000's of years. Billions of people? And in all that time? Has any supporting evidence shown up for a god? Nope! Instead things have gotten far worse for the "god" ideas. We are now mostly to "god of the gaps." A definition of god that basically defines god out of existence to us humans and therefore completely irrelevant to us.

Christianity is a rapidly fading shadow of what it used to be. Most people barely think about the christian god anymore in many "important" parts of the world. We use "god" far more as an expletive then to its actual meaning.

At the very least you must consider jesus christ and god is powerless and growing weaker, substantially weaker in the last 10% of how long christianity has been around.
 
 

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