Where are the arguments for god?

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Titilayo's picture
Where are the arguments for god?

In all my time looking over theological arguments for god, I haven't seen one that proved His existence at all. Philosophy don't even come close to proving the existence of one or more creators in general, much less a muslim or christian god. It's also really annoying to see the same arguments recycled by the religious and it just starts to get tiring. I want to see if there are any good arguments for god that already haven't been debunked, so at least I can have something to think about for awhile.

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Cognostic's picture
@Titilayo: RE: Good

@Titilayo: RE: Good arguments for god? If you find one, let us know. Hell, I would settle for a bit of evidence. That seems to be absent as well.

reedemption's picture
Lol.... The Other possible

Lol.... The Other possible possibilities crew are looking for a fight. Atheist: Nothing created something that created everything. Theist: Seriously?! Do you believe in magic and the supernatural? Atheist: hahaha, they don't exist. Theist: How come something miraculously came from nothing? Atheist: I don't know. Theist: It's a magic!!!!

Algebe's picture
reedemption: Wow! You're

reedemption: Wow! You're smoking hot today. Careful you don't set fire to all those straw men.

Sheldon's picture
@reedemption "How come

@reedemption "How come something miraculously came from nothing? Atheist: I don't know. Theist: It's a magic!!!!"

Still peddling the same argumentum ad ignorantiam or "god of the gaps" fallacy I see. Known common logical fallacies don't become less irrational through bloody minded repetition. I wonder what you and your superstitious ilk will move your imaginary deity into if this gap is closed, as all the others you had previously inserted it into were. I note you no longer try to claim earthquakes, and lightning have supernatural causes, it's progress of a kind I suppose.

I like to remember when confronted by stubborn wilful stupidity of the sort you espouse, that in fact you disbelieve in almost as many deities as I do, so you're only one deity away from reality after all. Again this is progress of a sort I suppose.

LogicFTW's picture
@reedemption

@reedemption

Your lie is exposed in the first line of your little, creative, story time, narrative:
"Atheist: Nothing created something that created everything."

I have yet to meet an atheist that says that. And even if I did, that is their opinion and has nothing to do with the fact the person is or is not an atheist.

This atheist, (me) I leave it at: "I do not know."

I am also a skeptic, I do not believe anything that is unevidenced because: "faith."

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Redemption

Redemption

And yet, not one of you muppets can actually demonstrate that there is actual 'nothing' nor accurately define it.

Calilasseia's picture
Oh look, it's another

Oh look, it's another supernaturalist, who thinks the lame and repeatedly destroyed "atheists think the universe came from nothing" bullshit constitutes some sparkling piece of wisdom, instead of the rectally extracted tripe that it is.

Time for this again.

Let's deal with the "atheists believe something out of nothing" canard once and for all, shall we?

Item one. Atheists dispense with belief altogether. Instead, if they're contemplating a postulate properly, they ask "what evidence exists in support of this postulate?", and look to whichever discipline is supplying the evidence.

Item two. The people who REALLY think the universe came from "nothing", are those supernaturalists who think their imaginary magic man from their favourite mythology, waved his magic todger and poofed the universe into existence from nothing. So even before I move on to the next items, this alone stuffs the "atheists think the universe came from nothing" excrement down the toilet and pulls the flush hard.

Item three. The question of the origin of the universe has nothing to do with atheism. This question is the remit of cosmological physics. And, once again, those of us who paid attention in class, turn to that discipline, and ask what postulates arise therefrom, and what evidence is supplied in support thereof.

Item four. No cosmological physicist presents the fatuous notion that the universe "came from nothing". Instead, cosmological physicists postulate that testable natural processes, involving well-defined interactions acting upon well-defined entities, were responsible for the origin of the observable universe in its current form.

Item five. The question of the origin of the universe is an active research topic, and as a corollary, a number of hypotheses are extant in the field, with respect to the origin of the observable universe. Indeed, it's a measure of how far cosmological physics has progressed, that researchers in the field are able to postulate a number of pre-Big-Bang cosmologies, and then work out how to test those cosmologies and the hypotheses underpinning them. See my above brief exposition on the work of Steinhardt & Turok for an example.

Item six. As an example of the ideas extant in the literature, I'm aware of two papers by Steinhardt & Turok, in which they propose a pre-Big-Bang cosmology centred upon braneworld collisions, and which possesses three elegant features. Namely:

[1] It provides a mechanism for the donation of energy to the newly instantiated universe, facilitating subsequent matter synthesis;

[2] It eliminates the singularity problem from standard Big Bang cosmology;

[3] It provides a testable prediction, namely that the power spectrum of primordial gravitational waves will take a specific form, with the graph skewed towards short wavelengths.

Indeed, [3] above is one of the reasons scientists have been labouring diligently, to produce operational gravitational wave detectors, precisely so that they can test this prediction, once they've learned how to distinguish between primordial gravitational waves and gravitational waves of more recent origin. The moment they learn to do this, the requisite tests will be conducted. Furthermore, if those tests reveal a power spectrum that matches the Steinhardt-Turok prediction, then Steinhardt & Turok walk away with the Nobel Prize for Physics. Anyone exercising reasonable diligence here, will know that I've covered Steinhardt & Turok's work in some detail already on these forums, and the relevant exposition can be found in this post.

Message to all you supernaturalists out there: read the above, and learn from it. The next time you peddle the "atheists think the universe came from nothing" bullshit, you'll know from the above why we regard you with scorn and derision for posting this bullshit.

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@ Calilasseia

@ Calilasseia

Fascinating stuff Cal, as usual.

Just a tiny niggle: It is my understanding that physicist Lawrence Krauss does in fact argue the universe came from nothing . I say"it is my understanding" because that's the title of the Youtube clip. I can't claim to understand the physics .

Perhaps you could have a glance :

Oh, It is also my understanding that Stephen Hawking said the same thing..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h43G83o5kc

Hawking is asked "What was around before the Big Bang?" His answer: "Nothing was around before the Big Bang"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ88kC2Nx8M

I'm confused.

Jo's picture
@ Calilasseia

@ Calilasseia

"Item one. Atheists dispense with belief altogether. Instead, if they're contemplating a postulate properly, they ask "what evidence exists in support of this postulate?", and look to whichever discipline is supplying the evidence."

Is Atheism a postulate? If not, what value is it?
If so, what evidence exists to supports its postulates?

I think this article is related to this discussion and I wanted to get your thoughts.
"Multiverse Theories Are Bad for Science"
New books by a physicist and science journalist mount aggressive but ultimately unpersuasive defenses of multiverses By John Horgan on November 25, 2019 https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/multiverse-theories-are...

"The logical next step, Siegfried contends, would be for us to discover that our entire cosmos is one of many. Rebutting skeptics who call multiverse theories “unscientific” because they are untestable, Siegfried retorts that the skeptics are unscientific, because they are “pre-supposing a definition of science that rules out multiverses to begin with.” He calls skeptics “deniers”—a term usually linked to doubts about real things, like vaccines, climate change and the Holocaust."

"I am not a multiverse denier, any more than I am a God denier. Science cannot resolve the existence of either God or the multiverse, making agnosticism the only sensible position. I see some value in multiverse theories. Particularly when presented by a writer as gifted as Sean Carroll, they goad our imaginations and give us intimations of infinity."

Cognostic's picture
Jo: There you go again

Jo: There you go again trying to STRAWMAN atheism. Why don't you just quit. Being an atheist is like being a non-baseball player. Lets say Theism is analogous to Sports. All the different sports represent all the different religions. Non-sports players, people who do not believe in playing any kind of sport, are called Atheists. Why we do not play sports is as individualistic as each person's thoughts ideas and opinions. We are not a team of people organized not to play sports. We do not have a dogma that says, "Thou shall not play sports." Each of us in our own way has simply elected not to play. That's it. Nothing more;.

Atheism is not a postulate and it has no value. It is a position taken on the claim, "God Exists." Atheists do not believe that claim to be true.

Pairing God to a Multiverse is a false analogy.

* Science cannot resolve the existence of either God or the multiverse..."Cannot?" You mean science has "Not Yet." If your God is out there, it will be a scientist that finds it. In the mean time, we know for a fact that one universe exists. It is not an erroneous assumption to state that there may be others. Please demonstrate any such connection with your God idea.

RE: Agnosticism is the only reasonable position? On that, most atheists would agree. I would think the majority or atheists are Agnostic Atheists. I certainly have never seen any evidence for a god or gods. Given that there is no evidence and no good reason to believe in God or Gods, why choose to believe?

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@ Cognostic

@ Cognostic

“Being an atheist is like being a non-baseball player.”
“Lets say Theism is analogous to Sports.”
I think that is an inaccurate analogy.
You do believe that baseball and sports exists, don’t you?
You do not “believe” in playing any kind of sport?
Don’t you just choose not to?
Electing not to participate in something is very different than not believing something exists.

If someone were to say that God does not exist.
Would you say you do not believe that claim to be true?

Would you say there is no Santa Claus?
Or would you say you do not believe that claim to be true?

The two paragraph on science were quotes from an article I referenced.
“If your God is out there, it will be a scientist that finds it.”
You believe science can find God, if he exists?
That is a claim, and has lots of presuppositions.
I do not believe science can find God, if he exists.
Since you made the claim, it is your responsibility to evidence it.
Do you have any evidence?

CyberLN's picture
Jo, you wrote, “If someone

Jo, you wrote, “If someone were to say that God does not exist. Would you say you do not believe that claim to be true?”

It seems you simply refuse to comprehend what has been said over and over and over. As an atheist, I do not accept your assertion that a god exists. THAT IS NOT THE SAME as no god(s) exist.

To answer the quoted question, I don’t know if any of them exists.

Jo's picture
@ CyberLN

@ CyberLN

If I asserted that God does not exist, would you not accept that assertion?

Just trying to see if you would answer the same for both claims.

CyberLN's picture
Jo, I do not believe the

Jo, I do not believe the assertions that gods exist. AND I have no knowledge either way. I am often identified as an agnostic atheist.

Jo's picture
@ CyberLN

@ CyberLN

Sorry, but I didn't see your answer to this question.
Do you not believe the assertion that no God exists?

Can you expand on your meaning of agnostic atheist?

CyberLN's picture
An agnostic atheist does not

An agnostic atheist does not believe in any gods but admits no knowledge of their non/existence.

Jo's picture
@ CyberLN

@ CyberLN

Would you admit no knowledge of Gods existence?

May I ask why you seem to be answering the questions of God existence, or non/existence, very differently?

CyberLN's picture
There is a difference between

There is a difference between knowledge and belief.

Get to the point.

Jo's picture
@ CyberLN

@ CyberLN

My point is that you have not answered one very important question.

Do you believe no God exists?

CyberLN's picture
Depends on the god.

Depends on the god.

Talyyn's picture
@Jo

@Jo

Do you think the trick will work with CyberLN?

Jo's picture
@ Talyyn What trick?

@ Talyyn

What trick?

LogicFTW's picture
@Jo

@Jo

“Lets say Theism is analogous to Sports.”
I think that is an inaccurate analogy.

Fine lets use something that we know you can understand. You are not a believer in zeus or any of the greek gods right? You do not think those god like entities do not exist right? Maybe perhaps you believe it is just folks confused on the correct god.

You do believe that baseball and sports exists, don’t you?

How do you feel about zeus and them? Believe he does not exist right? We on the same page yet? Does this analogy work for you?

Electing not to participate in something is very different than not believing something exists.

Is it? Are you sure? You decide not to participate in worshiping and/or believing in zeus and his buddies right? The end outcome is the same right?

If someone were to say that God does not exist.
Would you say you do not believe that claim to be true?

I would say "I believe that to be true, but I am not sure, all I do know is god (any god(s) idea) I ever heard of is completely un-evidenced. Because none of the gods are evidenced, I choose not to believe in it due to lack of evidence. If someone were to claim their god is real, I simply ask, for evidence, real empirical evidence, not just talk/writings from very fallible humans.
For the exact same reasons I do not believe in zeus, (not evidenced!) or in the flying spaghetti monster, or giant fluffy super cute puppy dog god I just made up. None of those are evidenced, and neither is your god until you can present some actual testable evidence that connects the claims you make about your god to actual reality.

Would you say there is no Santa Claus?
Or would you say you do not believe that claim to be true?

Same answer, (believers of santa do not read next sentence!)
Not evidenced in anyway, so just like any other idea humans come up with that is not evidence, I take no action on it, and if someone were to come to me and claim santa is real, I would ask for testable evidence.

I do not believe science can find God, if he exists.

So how do you think humans will "find" god? Just personal experience and people talking about their personal experience? If that is all you need to believe in something, I would consider you highly vulnerable to false suggestion, as you do not verify in any way what you hear is reality, at least when it comes to your god idea.

Since you made the claim, it is your responsibility to evidence it.
Do you have any evidence?

I did say I don't believe in gods, because their are unevidenced, so perhaps a claim of: "there is a lack of real, empirical evidence for a god," a claim I do challenge you to refute. And in this case, 3000+ years of a total lack of actual evidence IS very compelling evidence.

I am highly confident you have no actual evidence to refute my claim (that you have no evidence), as I have asked this question many times, and eithir I get no answer or I get answers of non "testable" evidence. Which really is not evidence, it just hearsay, talk, people flapping their lips, it means nothing without actual real evidence behind it.

When it comes down to it, if you are not just trolling for responses, you simply take your unevidenced god idea on "faith" where I, and 99% of everyone who ever lived do not with most never even hearing of your particular god idea/claim. (Many may have placed faith in some slightly or greatly different base god idea then yours.)

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@ LogicFTW

@ LogicFTW

"How do you feel about zeus and them? Believe he does not exist right? We on the same page yet? Does this analogy work for you?"
You are correct, I believe Zeus does not exists
I noticed that you said it exactly the same way.
Is that how you would describe God? That he does not exist?

"So how do you think humans will "find" god? " (If not science)
Finding God is not a scientific endeavor.
Since cannot answer the question.
Do you agree?

Why can't you just say that Santa Claus does not exist?
That is how I would say it.

"there is a lack of real, empirical evidence for a god," a claim I do challenge you to refute. And in this case, 3000+ years of a total lack of actual evidence IS very compelling evidence."
This is an often made, but fallacious argument.
1. You are making the claim, yet you want me to refute your claim.
2. You are ignoring that fact that there is also no "real empirical evidence" to show there is no God.
3. You are making the claim that if God existed "real empirical evidence" would be readily available.
You are rigging the question to get the answer you want.
I love my wife dearly, but if you ask for real empirical evidence", I don't think I can provide it.
I cannot show you my love with a microscope or telescope.
I cannot provide a mathematical equation that proves my love.
Does any of those show that I don't love her?
I can't show you God with any of those tools either.
Does that mean he does not exist?

4. You say there has been no evidence in 3000 years, but that is just your opinion.
Billions of people in the last 3000 years have concluded there is evidence for God.
That doesn't prove anything, just as your claim does not either.
Just yours and their opinion.
You are making fallacious argument from ignorance.
Saying because something has not been proven, it does not exist.

5. You say I am wrong because I have no "real empirical evidence".
But neither do you.
So if I am wrong, than so are you.
If "real empirical evidence " is the standard.
Shouldn't the standard apply to everyone.

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ Jo

@ Jo

you still demonstrate your deliberate stupidity at every opportunity do you not?

You are making fallacious argument from ignorance.

Actually you are both using the argument "ad populum" which is indeed fallacious.

You Jo, in your feeble attempts to prove your mendacious assertions as to the existence of your particular god still do not get the fact that as an atheist I make no claim. I merely disbelieve yours without proper evidence.

Mr Killens did make a claim and you are entitled to disbelieve him but that does NOT justify your position that a god (of your choosing) exists. It is not even close.

So, Jo, stop playing essentially meaningless word games in the search of a 'gotcha' moment. It is tiresome, whiny and rather pathetic.

LogicFTW's picture
@Jo

@Jo

I noticed that you said it exactly the same way.
Is that how you would describe God? That he does not exist?

I do not necessarily feel this way. I was setting you up with a better analogy. You disbelieve zeus, you do not believe zeus exists. The question that follows this is: why do you disbelieve Zeus?

Me personally? My thoughts on god? (any god idea, including yours,) is exactly this:
"God" is a human created idea, (this should be obvious,) and this particular idea is completely unevidenced. I do not believe in completely unevidenced ideas. I also dislike religions as an idea, I feel religions are lies created by people to control other people, and it holds humanity as a whole back from achieving greater things.

Finding God is not a scientific endeavor.
Since cannot answer the question.
Do you agree?

You misread me. I never mentioned science in this paragraph you quoted me on. I do fully agree science will never answer the question of god, it is not supposed to nor does it need to. I was asking you, how do you think how humans will find "god"? Do you think never? Or at least not until after the human is "dead"? Do you think your god idea will never be evidenced?

1. You are making the claim, yet you want me to refute your claim.

You are correct, I did make the claim that there is no evidence for a god idea. I based my claim on: searching myself, and asking anyone I know that might be willing to answer: to evidence their god. You say you believe in your god, and so far you still avoided providing any actual evidence, I am only seeing excuses for not having evidence so far. So far, you are actually evidencing my claim that there is no evidence for god. You someone speaking for your god idea so far has presented zero evidence for your god idea.

You are ignoring that fact that there is also no "real empirical evidence" to show there is no God

That is a different and separate claim. (That there is no god.) I have made no claim that there is no god. I simply am asking for evidence for you god. NOT an unreasonable request. If you want a conversation about evidence for no god we can have that conversation But I will notice. and not forget the simple fact that: you still failed to provide any evidence for your god idea.

3. You are making the claim that if God existed "real empirical evidence" would be readily available.
You are rigging the question to get the answer you want.

Yes, an order for a "idea" to go from simple thought in your head (that could be all made up, and lies, and wrong) to reality, it needs to be evidenced. Yes there is a lot of people (terrifying percentages of world population,) that do not have this requirement. But for me, as a skeptic, I require an idea to be evidenced, before I accept it to be true. If you want to call it "rigging the question" fine, but I think demanding evidence for an idea before I believe it is an extremely reasonable request. We all demand evidence for most all other things in our lives, just for many people those basic, highly effective rules are suddenly suspended for their god idea. I dont suspend this basic rule for a god idea.

I love my wife dearly, but if you ask for real empirical evidence", I don't think I can provide it.

Seems like you do not know what empirical evidence is. I think part of the reason we think very different on this, is we seemingly have very different definitions for "empirical evidence." I can think of tons of empirical evidence of my love for my wife, family and friends.

I cannot show you my love with a microscope or telescope.

That would be silly, a microscope or telescope is not built to show love. They are built to show the very small and very far away.

I cannot provide a mathematical equation that proves my love.

Math is the language of preciseness. I think love could be represented in a mathematical equation, but that would be a silly endeavor.

Does any of those show that I don't love her?
I can't show you God with any of those tools either.
Does that mean he does not exist?

Okay it is becoming increasingly clear that you and I have very different definitions of "empirical evidence."

4. You say there has been no evidence in 3000 years, but that is just your opinion.
Billions of people in the last 3000 years have concluded there is evidence for God.

And so far you are proving my claim. As has countless other theist apologist and god believing folks before them. You guys try to flip the evidence claim, but meanwhile are utterly unable to provide any actual evidence. I do amend my self, there has been no evidence for roughly 13.8 billion years. Which includes the last 3000 years of many humans trying (and failing) to evidence their god.

I amend my claim:
You have no actual evidence for you god. Am I wrong? Prove it. Cant? Then I stick to it that: your god is unevidenced, remains just an unevidenced human thought and is no more real than fluffy foo foo the crazy cute bunny god I just made up. On the same level of actual reality. Unevidenced thoughts in a human head with nothing to tie the thought to reality that we need/should act upon.

Saying because something has not been proven, it does not exist.

Please show me where I wrote that, in any of my post here. I am saying: your god idea, is unevidenced, and therefore remains just an idea with no way to tie it to reality that we should actually do anything about.

5. You say I am wrong because I have no "real empirical evidence".
But neither do you.

Uh... let me spell this out for you.
I am saying you have no evidence for you god idea. I did not say you are wrong, I am making the claim you have no evidence. And so far you presented zero evidence. To me you are just another person that confirms my conclusion: that no theist has any evidence for their god idea.

If "real empirical evidence " is the standard.
Shouldn't the standard apply to everyone.

It is my standard, and I try to apply it to all ideas I come across. I wish everyone would make it their standard on everything. People that do not require other people's ideas to be evidenced can be easily manipulated and taken advantage of. I do not like being taken advantage of, I would imagine most people would not eithir.

David Killens's picture
@Jo

@Jo

"If I asserted that God does not exist, would you not accept that assertion?"

Of course not, that assertion requires proof or evidence.

Jo, you fail to grasp this simple concept, that if one makes an assertion, it is incumbent on them to be able to provide proof or evidence supporting their assertion.

Tin-Man's picture
@Jo Re: Sports analogy

@Jo Re: Sports analogy

...*shaking head in sad amusement*... Holy Jesus fucking Christ on a greasy splintered corndog stick... *chuckle*... I just gotta ask: Are you on some sort of mission to intentionally look as dense as a person can possibly look? If so, then congratulations! Because over the last few days your posts have made a neutron star seem light and fluffy in comparison. Bravo!... *golf clap*....

I should add, of course, that I sincerely do hope you are being intentional with your dastardly displays of morosely mundane mental malaise. For if you truly do not realize the blatant absurdity of your recent posts and the sheer unadulterated nonsense contained within them, then it honestly makes me sad for you. Seriously. You really should consider seeking some form of psychiatric counseling. I mean that in all sincerity.

That being said, it should also be noted that your being here as a representative of the Christian faith could be considered a direct reflection of all other Christians. And, quite frankly, your obvious dishonesty and your willful aversion to grasping simple/basic concepts does not a good impression make. Fortunately, I happen to know quite a few honest and decent Christians of various denominations, and I am fairly confident they would be appalled and embarrassed by your behavior on here. Because whether you are intentionally trolling , or whether you are (sadly) woefully ignorant of your less-than-flattering "Christian representation", your behavior on here is such that it could easily turn others away from your beloved god. Just a little something for you to chew on a bit, Jo.

Cognostic's picture
@ RE: Yes, all analogies are

@ RE: Yes, all analogies are inaccurate to a degree. The idea is to get the point across. Atheists are non-participants in the God game. If you like we can make up a fantasy game. Call it "Stupid is as Stupid does." The rules do not matter to me as I do not play it. There is no term for a non-player until we turn "Stupid is as Stupid does" into a religion. At that point all non-players become "heathen, non-players, non-believers, apostates, and atheists."

RE: You do not “believe” in playing any kind of sport? Don’t you just choose not to? Why assume belief is a choice. Can you choose not to believe in God? Can you choose to believe I am right and you are wrong? I do not believe in your god as it is unconvincing. You believe in your God for some unknown reason that you are keeping to yourself, most likely because exposing it would make you look foolish.

If someone were to say that God does not exist. Would you say you do not believe that claim to be true? NO! I ask them to define their god, just as you have been asked. Only the definition can be debunked. After all, that is all there seems to be.

RE: Santa: It depends on the definition. My understanding is that there actually was a Saint Nick. Saint Nicholas - Patron Saint, Feast Day & Santa - Biography https://www.biography.com/religious-figure/saint-nicholas What are you defining as Santa and what evidence do you have for the claim?

RE: "“If your God is out there, it will be a scientist that finds it.” It is not a claim. Read it again. It begins with the word "IF." I did not say; "Your god is out there and science will find it." The point is, you have stopped looking as you think you know the answer. Science is still looking for answers. IF anyone is going to stumble across anything called God, it will be the people looking and not the closed minded who think they already know.

YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE NO IDEA AT ALL WHAT A "CLAIM" IS.
1. an assertion of the truth of something, typically one that is disputed or in doubt.
2. a demand or request for something considered one's due.
3. state or assert that something is the case, typically without providing evidence or proof.

The fact that science is doing the exploring and you are sitting on your ass pretending you know the answers is all the evidence required for the assertion I have made.

Assertion:
a confident and forceful statement of fact or belief.

Calilasseia's picture
Oh look, another failed

Oh look, another failed attempt at a "gotcha" by a supernaturalist. And a duplicitous one at that, given my previous voluminous output on this very subject ...

"Item one. Atheists dispense with belief altogether. Instead, if they're contemplating a postulate properly, they ask "what evidence exists in support of this postulate?", and look to whichever discipline is supplying the evidence."

Is Atheism a postulate? If not, what value is it?

No it isn't a postulate, it is, once again, suspicion of unsupported supernaturalist assertions. And its value lies in pointing out that those supernaturalist assertions are unsupported by anything recognisable as genuine evidence, as understood in a range of rigorous academic disciplines.

You've been told this repeatedly.

I think this article is related to this discussion and I wanted to get your thoughts.
"Multiverse Theories Are Bad for Science"

What the fuck has this got to do, with the fact that supernaturalist assertions are bereft of evidential support? Nothing. If's a fake attempt to conflate entirely different topics for duplicitous apologetic reasons.

Oh, and that article is plain, flat, wrong, with respect to its conclusion. Because, as I have already pointed out with respect to Steinhardt & Turok's work, which implies a multiverse by the operation of its central mechanism, their work IS testable, and scientists are busy assembling the instruments to perform the test. I even stated explicitly the nature of the test being performed. You've been told all of this repeatedly here, which now leads me to conclude that your latest outing is merely typical supernaturalist mendacity in action.

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