Why do atheists only say God doesn't exist? Why not Satan?

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David Killens's picture
That is not a definition.

That is not a definition. Once again, please provide your definition of "Satan".

Nyarlathotep's picture
Deme3 - Well, I am in a

Deme3 - Well, I am in a constant relation with him with the evidence of the 9 gifts of the spirit.

Apparently it isn't enough for you to assign special powers to your imaginary friend; now you have special powers too!

Demetri Vanlalrelkima's picture
It is not a special power,

It is not a special power, lol, you guys are like kids. Anyhow, it's not from us, it is from the holy spirit, i don't own it. (I feel like mentioning the word "Lamborghini" to a baby)

Sapporo's picture
Jesus is recording as saying

Jesus is recording as saying that "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.", and yet you are here constantly calling people childish.

Demetri Vanlalrelkima's picture
lollollol, imagine saying the

lollollol, imagine saying the word "mimawl" to people who don't even have the idea about the word. What would you call this scene? I'm sorry I couldn't find a better phrase to suit us.lol

And I'm glad that you read the Bible, and I will be glad to explain those lines to you, what did Jesus meant by saying "such as these"?
What are the character of children? They are innocent, they still have a lot to understand, they don't doubt... And luckily if you consider yourself and the others childish, heaven's gate is open wide for you bro.

Sapporo's picture
Deme3: lollollol, imagine

Deme3: lollollol, imagine saying the word "mimawl" to people who don't even have the idea about the word. What would you call this scene? I'm sorry I couldn't find a better phrase to suit us.lol

And I'm glad that you read the Bible, and I will be glad to explain those lines to you, what did Jesus meant by saying "such as these"?
What are the character of children? They are innocent, they still have a lot to understand, they don't doubt... And luckily if you consider yourself and the others childish, heaven's gate is open wide for you bro.

I rejected the god of the bible when I was 7 after I read the bible all the way through. I find it insulting for you to insist on insulting the intelligence of children.

I understood that Jesus said that "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of god." - I don't know where you got your insight about Jesus' intent from.

Did you not doubt during the time you were allegedly an atheist? Wouldn't that make you hypocritical?

Demetri Vanlalrelkima's picture
I wasn't just an atheist, I

I wasn't just an atheist, I love philosophy. I was one of the guys who would look up to the stars and thank my consciousness, there was no such thing as laws, I was not bounded by the chains of society. I was a free thinker. Lets just say I could live my live exactly as I wanted. There's no such thing as bad or good, it's just how the society defines it. So there was no word such as hypocritical in my earlier days.

Sapporo's picture
Deme3: I wasn't just an

Deme3: I wasn't just an atheist, I love philosophy. I was one of the guys who would look up to the stars and thank my consciousness, there was no such thing as laws, I was not bounded by the chains of society. I was a free thinker. Lets just say I could live my live exactly as I wanted. There's no such thing as bad or good, it's just how the society defines it. So there was no word such as hypocritical in my earlier days.

My point was that if you had not doubted while you were allegedly an atheist, you would not now be a theist...

Demetri Vanlalrelkima's picture
Well the same goes for you,

Well the same goes for you, 'if' you believe in God when you were nine years old, you'd still be a theist. But, I would still be an atheist if i didn't meet that friend in my life.

Sapporo's picture
Deme3: Well the same goes for

Deme3: Well the same goes for you, 'if' you believe in God when you were nine years old, you'd still be a theist. But, I would still be an atheist if i didn't meet that friend in my life.

You were the one who was making out that doubt is a bad thing. I don't have a problem with doubt: it is doubt that motivates progress, not faith.

arakish's picture
quip: What are the character

quip: What are the character of children? They are innocent, they still have a lot to understand, they don't doubt... And luckily if you consider yourself and the others childish, heaven's gate is open wide for you bro.

Then explain how at the ripe old age of 3½ years old when me mom used the Bible to teach me to read that I recognized the Bible to be nothing more than a bunch of bullshit. I have never believed in the Bible, your Sky Faerie, your Magic Zombie Virgin.

I did as David Killens said. I actually researched the Bible. And found it is nothing but a collection of plagiarized faerie tales, myths, and legends. And those faerie tales, myths, and legends are FAR! older than the Bible.

From another post:

Some Additional Interesting Information

Dude. You really need to study up on history. (And this applies to you also, Deme3)

BTW: This is the artifact (Merneptah Stele) I have seen in person (I actually typed prison, LOL). Further, all the below artifacts had a date range. I chose the date that makes the artifact oldest within those date ranges. Thus, making anything Hebrew/Israel as old as possible. Just so you Christians would not cry foul, I actually ceeded in favor for your cause. Honestly, and this is a Ripley's Believe It or Not, and I could care less which you do, I honestly spent 20 years researching (during vacations) spread across a time of 30 years trying to prove the Bible historically correct. Reason: I wanted to know from a scientific point of view why someone would put so much faith into something that has never been proven correct.

Merneptah Stele; Location: Cairo Museum; Found: 1896, Thebes; Date: circa 1200 BCE; Writing: Egyptian hieroglyphs.
Biblical archaeologist translate the set of hieroglyphs on Line 27 as "Israel." Ancient Egyptian archaeologists differ saying the hieroglyphs actually translate as "Jezreel," a city and valley in the Land of Canaan. This also constitutes the only record in Ancient Egyptian that mentions Jezreel/Israel.

I have to admit that I got the dates reversed in my Exodus to Nowhere essay. I am certain I flipped them between this artifact and when the Hebrew people actually came into being and the first mention of them in Egypt. The above artifact does not mention "hebrew" or "israel." It actually mentions "jezreel people," not "israel nation" as the biblical persons would have one believe. However, ALL archaeological evidence proves "hebrew" or "israel" was NEVER in the empire proper of Egypt (near the Nile). They may have been within Egypt's Sphere of Influence in the Levant, but the Hebrews/Israel did come into existence until around 850 to 800 BCE. Six hundred, SIX! hundred years after the dates given by biblical scholars for the Exodus (circa 1440 BCE).

Additionally, if I remember my biblical history correctly, was not Israel (Jacob) before the Exodus? And the Exodus was supposed to have begun in circa 1440 BCE? And this record is over 200 years younger? Moses supposedly died in 1400 BCE (just before the Hebrew Invasion), and later that same year Joshua began his campaign to rape the Land of Canaan? All of this going by what biblical scholars preach...

The next oldest Egyptian Artifact even mentioning anything about Israel is the Mesha Stele, (dated circa 850 BCE), written by the Moabites with reference to "house of David," constituting the earliest mention of a "David." This does not prove Israel was a nation, just there was a house/family with the name of "David" near the Moabites. Also see next two entries.

Saba's Stele (dated circa 800 BCE) details the accounts of an Assyrian army's campaign (see below) in Philistia circa 800 BCE, yet has no mention of any "Hebrew/Israel" nation/people in the Land of Canaan through which they would have had to march to get to Philistia. Strange.

Then there is the Nimrud Slab (dated circa 800 BCE) which details Adad-nirari III's Assyrian conquests of Palastu (Phillistia), Tyre, Sidon, Edom, and Humri. Humri is said to be the Akkadian translation for Hebrew (Israel). The earliest mentioning of Hebrew. I got that date wrong from another document since it stated the word Hebrew did not appear in the Assyrian (Akkadian) language until circa 1000 to 800 BCE. It was kind of right, just gave a broader date range.

Gezer Calendar dated circa 950 BCE is the earliest appearance of Paleo-Aramaic/Hebrew written language.

The walls of the tombs of Ahmose (dated circa 1500 BCE), son of Ebana, sometimes said to be the basis of the Moses myth, and Ahmose Pen Nekhbet (dated circa 1450 BCE) detail the earliest records of Egyptian control of the Land of Canaan. The Bible's depiction of Israel does not allow for Egyptian control over the Land of Canaan.

The Great Hymn to the Aten (dated circa 1400 BCE) is seen to possess strong similarities to Psalm 104 (circa 1440 to 585 BCE (Why such a huge range?)), which may be based on it. Of course, biblical achaeologists and biblical scholars refute this. I could care less. I thought it was interesting.

Ipuwer Papyrus (dated 1850 BCE (400 years before the supposed Exodus)) contains a poem that describes Egypt as afflicted by social anarchy and in a state of chaos. This archaeological evidence does not support the story of the Exodus, and most histories of ancient Israel no longer consider it relevant to the story of Israel's emergence. Nevertheless, the Ipuwer Papyrus is often put forward in popular literature as confirmation of the Biblical account, most notably because of its statement that "the river is blood" which naturally occurs due to iron rich sediments during the disastrous floods of the Nile. Additionally, it states that the social disruption may have actually been caused by the "arrival of Asiatic servants." Asiatic meaning Oriental? Wow.

Khirbet Qeiyafa shrines (oldest dated to circa 860 BCE) are cultic constructs many see as evidence of a "cult in Judah of David" and with features (triglyphs and recessed doors) which may resemble features in descriptions of the Temple of Solomon.

Ophel Inscription (dated circa 1100 BCE (300 years after the supposed Hebrew invasion cicra 1400 BCE)) is an inscribed fragment of a ceramic jar found near Jerusalem's Temple Mount by archeologist Eilat Mazar. It is the earliest alphabetical inscription found in Jerusalem written in Proto-Canaanite script. Some scholars believe it to be an inscription of the type of wine that was held in a jar.

Kuntillet Ajrud Inscriptions (dated circa 850 BCE) are inscriptions in Phoenician script including references to Yahweh. The earliest record of the mention of "yahweh." Still is 550 years after the supposed Hebrew Invasion circa 1400 BCE detailed in the book of Joshua.

Khirbet Beit Lei (dated circa 700 BCE) contains oldest known Hebrew writing of the word "Jerusalem." "I am YHWH thy Lord. I will accept the cities of Judah and I will redeem Jerusalem" And later, "Absolve us oh merciful God. Absolve us oh YHWH."

After this, artifacts just get younger. I chose the oldest ones found to date. Showing that the Hebrew/Israel nation did come into existence until many centuries after the dates put forth by biblical arhaeologists and biblical scholars.

If biblical scholars got all their dates wrong, then I am damned certain your [Religious Absolutist] scholars got all their dates wrong as well.

rmfr

Edit: had to fix broken "blockquote" tag

Cognostic's picture
And said, Verily I say unto

And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 18:3

I have no idea at all why the nice Atheists on this site have put up with your Bullshit for 4 pages. I would have killed your account on the first page. I think everyone gets the fact that you are a mindless troll spouting nonsense. Still they try to bring you to reason and logic. In my book, you just are not worth the effort. Even Jesus would not cast pearls before swine.

chimp3's picture
Deme3: I seem to recall a

Deme3: I seem to recall a bargain between God and Satan fucking with that sycophant Job.

Demetri Vanlalrelkima's picture
That's very nice of you.

That's very nice of you.

Sapporo's picture
When it comes to belief,

When it comes to belief, there is no such thing as free will.

Demetri Vanlalrelkima's picture
My favorite topic when I was

My favorite topic when I was an atheist! Determinism or pre-destination or call it whatever you like. The Christians used to say we have a decision to say yes or no when someone offers us something bad, but the thing is, what if you have a family members full of bad people? Your brain will adapt to this environment and your answer is inevitably yes.

But, if we dive into Quantum physics, we do have a free will it seems like.

Sapporo's picture
Deme3: My favorite topic when

Deme3: My favorite topic when I was an atheist! Determinism or pre-destination or call it whatever you like. The Christians used to say we have a decision to say yes or no when someone offers us something bad, but the thing is, what if you have a family members full of bad people? Your brain will adapt to this environment and your answer is inevitably yes.

But, if we dive into Quantum physics, we do have a free will it seems like.

Please explain how a person can "choose" to believe something.

Cognostic's picture
Oh,, now you know something

Oh,, now you know something about quantum physics? "BULLSHIT!" More nonsense. Do you have any idea at all what the difference between a face and an assertion is?

arakish's picture
quip: "But, if we dive into

quip: "But, if we dive into Quantum physics, we do have a free will it seems like."

I doubt you even know what Quantum Mechanics is. You have already proven such by calling it Quantum physics.

rmfr

Cognostic's picture
@OP "you have rights to make

@OP "you have rights to make your own decision(Remember, God is just). He can't just show up."

Great! We all choose not to go to hell. Fuck your God and thanks a lot. Remember = "He can't just show up" and torture people for no reason at all. He is limited in what he can and can not do obviously.

This is the lamest comment a Christian has ever made. "You have a choice." It's like the MAFIA boss telling you "You have a choice. Do what I say or Benny over here is going to blow your brains out. Your choice. Do as you like." It's a bullshit statement from a bullshit God, by a Christian full of bullshit.

Demetri Vanlalrelkima's picture
You make me miss the old days

You make me miss the old days bro, you and I were not that different.

Randomhero1982's picture
An athiest is a person who

An athiest is a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.

That is it!

If you believe in fairies, then I'm an 'afairiest'.
If you believe in unicorns, then I'm an 'aunicornist'.

Same applies for 'satan'...

This really isn't rocket science...

Randomhero1982's picture
An athiest is a person who

Edited - duplicate post for some reason.

SeniorCitizen007's picture
The UK Royal College of

The UK Royal College of Psychiatrists believes in Satan ... they call him Tetrahydrocannabinol.(THC). The more there is in the cannabis people smoke the more likely it is that Satan wlll take them over and turn them into schizophrenics .... is their mantra.

David Killens's picture
Yea, and the more marijuana

Yea, and the more marijuana is smoked, the more psychiatrists run out of customers. Basically, pot is bad for the head shrink business.

Sapporo's picture
Deme3: Hi, I'm an ex-atheist,

Deme3: Hi, I'm an ex-atheist,

What if, atheists are all deceived by Satan? Of course, I've already heard atheist saying, "If God has a problem with atheist, He should just show up to them and prove that He is real". But by definition, God is perfect, He is just, He is waiting for our decisions, He is a gentlemen, He will not use force, first lets keep those in mind.

So, what if an angel or a devil or God suddenly show up to atheist? They will inevitably believe in the spiritual realm, and will believe in God. But, let me introduce you to Satan, since he doesn't want you to believe in God, Satan will to show up to atheist, and will not want God to show up to atheist. Satan is a deceiver by definition, even though you think you are not deceived, you probably are.

But why won't God show up to atheist if he loves us? Because Satan has rights, you have rights to make your own decision(Remember, God is just). He can't just show up.

So, we are probably being deceived people!

Was it god who told Abraham to kill a child, or satan? How do you know the difference?

Demetri Vanlalrelkima's picture
Lets say, you constantly talk

Lets say, you constantly talk with Mike, but suddenly Erik came and talk to you? How do you know the difference?

Sapporo's picture
Deme3: Lets say, you

Deme3: Lets say, you constantly talk with Mike, but suddenly Erik came and talk to you? How do you know the difference?

You said that satan is the deceiver and that god is a gentlemen. But you also said that god tells people to do things such as kill children.

You have not offered any evidence that god can be determined based on its morals, nor have you described any other unique attribute of god that can be observed.

Demetri Vanlalrelkima's picture
Lets use the Erik and Mike

Lets use the Erik and Mike analogy. Mike knows Erik, and you know Mike, why do you ask Mike about Erik while you can directly ask Erik about Himself? But then, Erik never existed right?

That's the old Testament, during that time, we were dead. Falling short for the glory of God. We were not what we were supposed to be.
I think God wasn't sure if he can trust humans anymore, we were sinful, the love for God was gone. Gone!. And Abraham proved that he loved God, more than anything else in the world.

God's would never allow the child to die. It was a test, i think

Sapporo's picture
Deme3: Lets use the Erik and

Deme3: Lets use the Erik and Mike analogy. Mike knows Erik, and you know Mike, why do you ask Mike about Erik while you can directly ask Erik about Himself? But then, Erik never existed right?

That's the old Testament, during that time, we were dead. Falling short for the glory of God. We were not what we were supposed to be.
I think God wasn't sure if he can trust humans anymore, we were sinful, the love for God was gone. Gone!. And Abraham proved that he loved God, more than anything else in the world.

God's would never allow the child to die. It was a test, i think

It was allegedly a test of Abraham's faith in god. But that doesn't show how god can be told apart from satan. If killing a child was unlawful, then the proper fulfillment of the test would be to not go through the process of killing the child. Thus, in Abraham's mind, killing a child because god told you to do it is a moral act.

Is it more important to be willing to kill children when god tells you, or is it more important to believe in satan, in your view?

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