Why the religion of Atheizum?

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Chandler Isaac Klebs's picture
The reasons I don't believe

The reasons I don't believe in any gods has nothing to do with evolution. Quite honestly I don't understand evolution, but I think Christianity takes more faith than evolution. As far as the "nothing created something", I have no idea what you are talking about.

Chuck Rogers's picture
Ahh but Lmale doesn't believe

Ahh but Lmale doesn't believe you are an Atheist if you haven't studied everything about Atheism.

Chuck Rogers's picture
Sorry about evolution.

Sorry about evolution.

Lmale's picture
Who the fuck said that? I

Who the fuck said that? I have many times said you can be atheist and know absolutely nothing about science.
Pay attention atheism is lack of belief in religions that have no evidence, which just happens to be all of them.
Think about that 4100 religions none of them have had evidence that makes them all have equal chance of being correct.
You somehow thing the random accident of your birth to christian parents meant you were lucky enough to be raised in the 'true' religion.
Dude if you were born to muslim parent you would be muslim and be arguing that islam is the one true faith.
If you were born to hindi parents youd be arguing that hinduism is the one true faith.
Do you see a pattern?
Its because your parents decide your faith then do everything they can to make it impossible for you to refuse it. People with a brain call that indoctrination.
Ive seen christians debating muslims and both sides claiming the enemy uses indoctrination i almost died laughing.

Lmale's picture
Right theists claim the big

Right theists claim the big bang couldnt happen because they been told before the big bang there was nothing. Thats why they claim something cant come from nothing ironically there god came from nothing lol.
But what theists dont understand is physicists have a different definition of nothing. They also dont understand that we have 100% guarenteed proved something does infact come from nothing using quantum theory.
Given that the universe is thought to have originally been so small it was quantum that adds creedence to the something can come from nothing.
Thats all i can understand the math is extremely complex surprise surprise no theist understands it.

Chuck Rogers's picture
You just admitted you don't

You just admitted you don't understand, then you claim someone else can't understand that you have no idea what they understand or not. Makes a whole lot of sense. Apparently you don't understand what a theory is. A theory is what someone thinks. That is not evidence. This tiny little speck you claim by theory still had to have its beginning. By the way talk about faith in that all the matter in the universe was squished that small. Did you know that minerals like gold, silver, copper, or any of the others can't be destroyed. You could take the most powerful press ever made and even triple the strength of it. Then put a 1/4 inch square piece of gold under that pressure, and the most it would be able to do is smash it. Buy it would still have the exact mass as it had before. So yet you think that something in space could take all of the minerals that is in the universe plus all other matter and squeeze it into something so small you couldn't even see it. And yet one of you claimed it takes more faith to believe in God is from everlasting to everlasting.

Lmale's picture
1 i admited how much i

1 i admited how much i understood thats not the same as saying i dont understant.
2. A theory is not just something someone thinks a theory is the highest honour in science what kind of atheist does not know that. To become a theory first you need evidence. Then you need either observations or predictions. Then you need real life applications or find other theories that can use it. Finally you need a peer review in a creditable journal. Evolution and the big bang theory passed all these. Creationism failed every single one. Hmmm which one takes faith. Moron.

Lmale's picture
"Did you know that minerals

"Did you know that minerals like gold, silver, copper, or any of the others can't be destroyed."
Dude minerals DID NOT EXIST in the big bang. Every single element on the periodic table except for hydrogen are made in stars by fusion.
The only element made in the big bang was hydrogen.
The reason gold and silver are so rare is only the biggest stars can make it and even then only for a very short amount of time before they supernova.
God you be dumb.

Chuck Rogers's picture
So the stars made the gold,

So the stars made the gold, silver, ect then spit it out or you might say exploded. And it just so happened that over millions and millions and billions and billions................ of years it collected on earth. It's amazing that you know that stars can do this. When can I expect the next chunk of gold to fall from the sky. Another thing no one has ever witnessed. Lol ha ha ha ha I just can't stop laughing.

Lmale's picture
Have you never bothered to

Have you never bothered to watch a documentary on the cosmology. Further evidence you never were an atheist. Generally the first thing an atheist does when he/she realises the religion they had is a fraud is try to find out how their existence really happened.
Ive watched dozens of documentaries on space.
We can quite easily discover what materials are in a star by analysing the light it produces. Theres actual experiments for high-school kids to do. So children know more about the universe than you does that feel good?

Chuck Rogers's picture
I am amazed, a documentary on

I am amazed, a documentary on space, well there you have it. The truth about the universe has been proven by a documentary. Wow just wow.
I'm laughing again.
So your telling me that the color of a star tells you what kind of minerals it is going to produce?

Did you know that the star that they claim is the closest to us ( I don't remember the name), isn't even nearly close enough for us to see the surface of it with the most powerful telescope man has made. But yet they know they spit out minerals. Can you tell me which star is producing what kind of minerals?

AU_Tyler_AU's picture
Just so you know the closest

Just so you know the closest sun to us is called the sun. Also the reason we cant see the surface of a star is because they are a ball of gas not a solid.

Lmale's picture
Its the light emitted by the

Its the light emitted by the star i thought i made that clear even to one as obviously uneducated as you are.
Lets see how much you actually know. Do you know light is part of the electromagnetic spectrum.
Light can be broken down into its component colours each having a different wavelength. Well the materials in the star block certain wavelengths and its always the same wavelength for each different material. So by observing the wavelengths that are missing we know what materials are in the star.
Its been nicknamed the fingerprint of the star but the scientific name is spectroscopy. Ive included a link if its to difficult for you google spectroscopy for kids.

Zaphod's picture
Look Chuck Rogers, are you

Look Chuck Rogers, are you embarrassed for you yourself yet? You should be. Never before have I seen such ignorance on the message boards the only post that came close were posted by the two usernames the two who were eventually banned for stupid and offensive things they said that broke the rules here at the ARF

The closest star is the sun. If you need a microscope to see it I don't know what planet your living on.

It has been long known that light signatures can can be used to tell the composition of stars and planets. It actually works here on earth too. Here's the definition of spectroscopy since your obviously not good at researching things yourself including gods:

spectroscopy (spɛkˈtrɒskəpɪ)
1. (General Physics) the science and practice of using spectrometers and spectroscopes and of analyzing spectra, the methods employed depending on the radiation being examined. The techniques are widely used in chemical analysis and in studies of the properties of atoms, molecules, ions, etc..

Light spectroscopy like all forms of of spectroscopy has been found to be incredibly accurate and this is why they use it in astrology. Many scientist be they physicist, astrophysicist, chemist ect.. have specialized in this field of study . I think I learned about this stuff in my early years of grade school. Here is a site that puts it really simple so you can learn a bit about it. Oh and if your interested, it gives you the light signature of our Sun (the nearest star) and those of other stars in case you were ever curious about anything besides supporting evidence your made-up/man-made god.

Wireguy73's picture
You're ignorance of cosmology

You're ignorance of cosmology, star formation, and nuclear physics does not validate your claim that a creator god put us here. The star that is at the center of our solar system is believed to be a third generation star that formed in the left over debris that the previous star that went supernova left behind. This is why there is a wide variety of elements, including a fair amount of heavy metals. You have a problem understanding this concept so I'll give you a simpler example that still happens today: nitrogen atoms get bombarded by cosmic rays in the stratosphere which results in a proton getting bounced out of the nucleus. What's left is a carbon 14 atom that drifts down to earth and is joined into biological systems and is a great way for humans to date biological life that predates the industrial revolution. There ya go, atoms are change form in nature everyday.

Chuck Rogers's picture
Oh another belief brought on

Oh another belief brought on by a theory. Sounds like faith to me. God never calls the sun a star. Considering that no one has ever seen the surface of a star (separate from claiming our sun is one) they may not produce light like the sun does. I would say that most of you have heard of Stephen Hawking right. He made the statement that with the most powerful telescope you can see nothing more than a pinprick of light.

Lmale's picture
When you say someone famous

When you say someone famous said something you need to provide a source.
I found this in 30 secs looks more than a pinprick to me rofl.
By the way we have radio telescopes lol.
By the way weve discovered not just stars but PLANETS.
Consider this you claim everything exists for us. Why is there so much wasted matter. All the planets in our solar system useless the 500 trillion galaxies each with about 500 trillion stars and thats only the ones we can detect. Even at light speed due to the acceleration of galaxies we could never reach 99% of them.
The approximate average number of planets per star based on the number weve discovered is 3-4 so were talking about 500 trillion x 500 trillion x 4 i dont even know what to call the total.
You seriously think life's only on one planet? Probability states there are at minimum 4 planets with life.


Lmale's picture
By the way theres a very

By the way theres a very simple reason god never called the sun a star. The men that wrote your precious book did not know about suns and stars lol

Wireguy73's picture
The sun isn't a star... I

The sun isn't a star... I really just laughed a little bit there.

This is the thread that just keeps on giving. Troll on, sir. I'm enjoying the commentary.

Lmale's picture
As for evolution were able to

As for evolution were able to activate atavisms (dormant genes) in a chicken to make an embryo grow dinosaur characteristics eg the teeth or tail. Were not far away from being able to grow a full dinosaur. If thats not enough proof in evolution god knows what is.

Chuck Rogers's picture
For one thing that would just

For one thing that would just prove it takes intelligence and design. Show me proof of this thing you are talking about. Also that would be taking something that was already alive and trying to change it. It doesn't mean it will live or be able to reproduce. That could be like manipulating oranges so they don't produce seeds. Fine for the one eating it but it can't continue without man's involvement.

Lmale's picture
Dude atleast discover what

Dude atleast discover what atavism means before arguing against it. Your argument is meaningless because it does not apply. Its not genetic modification its activating dormant genes left over from the evolutionary process.

Lmale's picture
Reverse engineering takes

Reverse engineering takes intelligence sure but no intelligence was required for the evolution. Read occams razor.

Lmale's picture
I meant to post this link

I meant to post this link sorry. For more info on the chicken to dinosaur.

Spewer's picture
"Faith is the evidence of

"Faith is the evidence of things not seen,"

Oh don't be a chump, Chuck. Faith is the evidence of a lack of evidence.

"By the way the only bible for English speaking people is the King James Bible."

It is the best, because it's the only version that mentions unicorns and cockatrices (chicken-headed beasts with a killer stare).

RebelFred's picture
Hey Chuck; you worship the

Hey Chuck; you worship the sun traveling through the zodiac and your too brainwashed to realize it.
This is all I need to prove that Christianity is false, it is nothing more than ancient sun worship.
I finally understood the bible when I realized none of it was true, try it for yourself, it works!
This is from a former brainwashed christian, free yourself from the brain bondage, the bible is BS!

The Jesus story in the gospels may also be the story of the Sun/Son of God.

The sun is the "Light of the World." Just as Jesus.

The sun "cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him." Just as Jesus.

The sun rising in the morning is the "Savior of mankind." Just as Jesus.

The sun wears a corona, "crown of thorns" or halo. Just as Jesus.

The sun "walks on water." Just as Jesus.

The sun can turn water (rain) into wine (grapes) Just as Jesus.

The sun's "followers," "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. Just as Jesus.

The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High"; thus, "he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. Just as Jesus.

The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30°; (30x12=360 degrees) hence, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. Just as Jesus.

The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified," which represents its passing through the equinoxes, the vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. Just as Jesus.

(Archarya S.-- Suns of God/The Christ Conspiracy)
The physical sun has always fascinated human beings. It "rises" in the east to bring it's warmth, light, and "sets" in the West, plunging the world into darkness with all the associated insecurites and dangers. It was truly a miracle and a most welcomed relief when every morning, the Sun rose from the land of the dead to bring it's light and protection for yet another day. It's cycles and apparent motion through the constellations has told the story of mankind for thousands of years, with all our hopes and fears. The physical Sun has been much of the inspiration of the spiritual son mythologies.

Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/93709

Chuck Rogers's picture
There are a lot of people who

There are a lot of people who claim or have claimed to be a Christian. But to be a true Christian you have to be saved. And God's word says that they who endure till the end are they that are saved. You apparently were not. I also know of some that thought they were until the Lord showed them they were wrong. Then they truly repented got saved, and now have a real change within themselves and it shows in their lives.
The bible also says
2 Corinthians 4:3-4 KJV
But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: [4] In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

By the way the god of this world (with a little g) is the devil.

Lmale's picture
Regarding the king james

Regarding the king james being the best bible read this excerpt from the wiki page:
"James gave the translators instructions intended to guarantee that the new version would conform to the ecclesiology and reflect the episcopal structure of the Church of England and its belief in an ordained clergy."
Am i the only one that sees that means the book is corrupted as it was intentionally altered to reflect the church of englands bias.

Chuck Rogers's picture
I take it that you think that

I take it that you think that because someone claimed in a story that a unicorn looked like a horse with wings and one horn, is what the bible depicts. The bible doesn't describe how a unicorn looks. There are several one horned animals today. The way the bible talks about it in the book of Job, with its strength and that it won't help man with plowing, God could be talking about the rhino. There is nothing in the Bible that you could say it isn't.
And the cockatrice is simply a venomous snake like a copper head. If you looked up what it means in Hebrew you could have figured that out.

Ellie Harris's picture
"I honestly don't know why

"I honestly don't know why everyone is letting this nutter drag us down into this debate designed purely to wind us up. He is full of it."
This is the Debate Forum so as long as the TC (topic creator) doesn't cross the line then he and others are free to engage with that person. I'm not singling anyone out in saying this. Also name calling in a debate doesn't really advance your position (ad hominem fallacy) so please try to focus on the utter hilarity of the Topic of this debate.
Chuck, what is your definition of "spirit," how can I test this spirit thingy to conclusively know it exist, and are you telling us atheist that you know the actual makeup, structure, and anatomy of god? (Please, oh please quote from the bible to answer these questions). :)


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