Atheism is a faith like anyone else

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Algebe's picture
@Ferguson1952 people hated

@Ferguson1952 people hated mud bricks

With good reason. Mud brick (adobe) houses are death traps in earthquakes. Wattle and daub structures are better if you have plenty of wood to produce the lattice work. Otherwise it's best to trade what you have to buy what you need to build strong modern structures, such as reinforced concrete buildings.

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When I was living in France,

When I was living in France, I was a bit fat.
I went to see a nutritionist.
She wrote down a diet for me, but when I read it I found the food was more than what I was already eating. hahaha
So I ignored it.

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Once I broke a front tooth. I

Once I broke a front tooth. I rang a next-door dentist and she asked me 2,000 euros for just one false tooth. Then I rang my dentist and he asked 800 euros. So I went to see the technician and I spent 250.

You keep talking about sterile theories, I talk about hard facts.

When i was in France I had back pain. I went to see the doctor and he gave me some ointment.
Eventually, it was appendicitis. hahaha

NewSkeptic's picture
I thought you were leaving.

I thought you were leaving. Don't lie even more. Just leave.

Tin-Man's picture
@NewSkeptic Re: To Fergie -

@NewSkeptic Re: To Fergie - "I thought you were leaving. Don't lie even more. Just leave."

...*panicked voice*.... Nooooo!!! We can't have Fergie leave!!! Since being an atheist has made my pathetic life such a shambled and useless mess, I NEED Fergie to stay around so that I might live a full and prosperous life vicariously through him! Fergie is my only hope for being TRULY happy! Please don't coax him into leaving! Pleeeeeease!!!!

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@ferguson1951: So I went to

@ferguson1951: So I went to see the technician and I spent 250.

A lady in Sydney wanted to have her buttocks enlarged, but the plastic surgeon quoted her a very high price for a medical procedure. So she went to a nail parlor operator, who offered to do the job for a fraction of price. The nail parlor operator pumped her butt full of cement, which went rock hard. Then she died.

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@Ferguson

@Ferguson
I have a lack of belief that any gods exist. Theist have failed to provide any objective evidence that a god exist. Ferguson what evidence do you have that your god exist?

LostLocke's picture
Now that he seems to be

Now that he seems to be spouting random shit that has nothing to do with anything, I'm just gonna say... bot?

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@ferguson1951

@ferguson1951

Are you going to remove your sexist comment or not? I won't be asking again.

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xenoview

xenoview
I have a lack of belief that any gods exist. Theist have failed to provide any objective evidence that a god exist. Ferguson what evidence do you have that your god exist?

How many times do I have to repeat the same thing?

If you do not believe in God it is your problem, not mine.

I do not believe in the Big Bang Theory, which I studied in atheist text books.

They have to convince me that an explosion, which normally creates havoc, can create such a perfectly organized universe.

But even if it was true, they have to show me without any doubt wherefrom the initial particle came from.

Tin-Man's picture
@Fergie Re: "But even if it

@Fergie Re: "But even if it was true, they have to show me without any doubt wherefrom the initial particle came from."

...*sheepishly raising hand*... Oh, uh, yeah... Uh, sorry about all of that. It was me. Ummm, ya see, it was Wednesday morning, meaning that the previous day was (obviously) Taco Tuesday. Aaaaand I guess maybe I may have over-indulged a bit when I got excited about their finally having cow cheek tacos at the taco truck. (They had been out of it the past three weeks.) Uh, anyway, uh, well, you know, nature does what nature does... *nervous chuckle*... so, like, uh, at first the cramping was bad, but not really unusual. However, things suddenly went to a whole new level, and then.... *clapping hand together loudly*... BAM!!! I mean, it was so bad I actually went cross-eyed for a few seconds. And then, when I was finally able to think again (and after quickly opening all the windows and turning on all the vent fans), I noticed a strange particle hovering in the middle of my living room. And before I knew it, it started expanding at an incredible rate until it was as big as a universe. Damndest thing I've ever seen... *shaking head in amazement*...

On a side note, I had to trash that pair of pants I was wearing that day. I'll spare you the details.

xenoview's picture
@ferguson

@ferguson
What atheist textbooks are you talking about?
You have failed to give any objective evidence your god exist.

LostLocke's picture
They have to convince me that

They have to convince me that an explosion, which normally creates havoc, can create such a perfectly organized universe.

The fact that you called it "an explosion" says that you did in fact *not* study the Big Bang from "an atheist" textbook. The Big Bang is not and never has been "an explosion".
Nice try though.

Sheldon's picture
ferguson1951 "If you do not

ferguson1951 "If you do not believe in God it is your problem, not mine."

It's no problem for me, anymore than your lack of belief in Zeus or Apollo is a problem for you. This seems like just one more thing you are utterly clueless about.

ferguson1951 "I do not believe in the Big Bang Theory, which I studied in atheist text books. They have to convince me that an explosion, which normally creates havoc, can create such a perfectly organized universe."

Firstly you're a liar, as no atheist text book would make the error of describing it as an explosion, which it certainly was not, the phrase the big bang was originally coined by it's detractors in an attempt to deride it, the name stuck, the detractors were left with egg on their face, and only ignorant religious apologists, and creationists make this risible error of referring to it as an explosion. Secondly it is a scientific theory, thirdly like all scientific theories it is supported by objective empirical evidence, lastly the fact you prefer superstitious fantasies over objective scientific facts is entirely moot, but petty funny. Why would you come here and embarrass yourself by sharing this fact?

ferguson1951 "But even if it was true, they have to show me without any doubt wherefrom the initial particle came from."

The current models are well supported by objective evidence, and no one has to show you shit matey, please carry on your risible denials of scientific facts, and your childish belief in archaic superstitious fantasies involving humans being created using magic and clay, it's funny as fuck, and no one, least of all the scientific world has to stop you embarrassing yourself by sharing those views on here. You have sought out atheists to preach your superstitious verbiage to, no one could care less what you believe, or how many facts you deny. You are without a doubt one of the most ill informed religious apologists that have posted here, and that believe me is some fucking achievement.

Thanks for the laughs...

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@ferguson1951

@ferguson1951

"But even if it was true, they have to show me without any doubt wherefrom the initial particle came from."

Here is one proposition

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WcTASYcP14&t=561s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eRy99d-wJY

Of course, this scientific explanation will pass over your head and there is probably nothing you can comprehend. But that's your problem for wallowing in ignorance, not mine.

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Believing or nor believing in

Believing or nor believing in God is life's fundamental question because either way you are putting your entire life at risk. However, those who believe in God have less or no risk: the only problem is that if there is no God they wasted their time putting certain concepts in action for no "profit" at all.
Not believing in God is highly risky, because if God actually exists, they wasted their entire lives doing things that will not have any benefit when Judgment Day arrives.
Plus, the life of a believer is simpler, it works, you feel free doing your own thing and not having to adjust to the ever-changing diktats of the heathen world. The life of a believer is more an adventure than anything else, and the only big problem is the hassle that non-believers give you as they end up hating you and making your life difficult. But this is in the cards and the believer knows and is prepared for it.
Plus, you have to learn by trial and error, which is very awkward, because Church people do not help. On the contrary, they see you as suspicious. a little mad, a wild card.
See for instance a prayer that Father Lebret, one of Pope Paul VI's closest friends, wrote one day:
O God, send us madmen!

Louis Joseph Lebret

O God, send us madmen,
of those who are able to expose themselves,
of those who are able to forget about themselves,
of those who know how to love with works and not with words,
of those that are totally available to others.

We lack madmen, O Lord,
lack daring, passionate,
people capable of jumping into insecure emptiness,
unknown and deeper than poverty every day;
of those who are capable of guiding people
without the desire to use it as a stool to climb them;
of those who do not use others for their purposes.

We miss these crazy people, oh my God!
Crazy in the present, in love with a simple life,
liberators of the poor, lovers of peace,
free from compromises, determined never to betray,
despising one's comfort or life,
totally determined for self-sacrifice,
able to accept all types of tasks,
to go anywhere for obedience,
and at the same time free, obedient,
spontaneous and tenacious, cheerful, sweet and strong.

Give us this kind of madman, oh my Lord.

I had luck.
When I was a kid my father used to buy me the lives of saints in comic strips and I liked them a lot. I also had a life of Jesus illustrated for kids, and I liked that too. He would send me to Catholic schools. In those days I was only a kid. I used to go to my parish, help the priest with mass and play ping-pong and table football there. I used to pay attention to the Gospel stories during mass but at the same time I would ask myself why I was not seeing anything like it around.
I was not a practicing Christian, I just liked religion.
Then we came to Europe, a completely different environment, and forgot all about it, although I never lost my faith in God. I then bought Buddha's speaches and that made me understand that you cannot be a true Christian and live the ordinary life of people in society. But I kept doing the ordinary things. I emigrated to London when I was 22 , looking for a job. I slept with girls, enjoyed myself, had friends, did parties and all the rest. But I think I kept judging everything according to my set of rules, deeply influenced by my previous life in Southamerica.
Then I came back to Italy and eventually got a good job in an important company. I liked the job, foreign trade, because i could use languages. But I could only stand it 7 years. The people there were so different, so much worse than the lovely neighbours I had in Southamerica that eventually I left. I said to myself: I got into the wrong place, I am sure if I change I will find something better. But no, I did not understand then that Europeans were like that.
So eventually I said to myself: I am going to get back to my religion as I knew it, get into some Christian place and all the good things I had known in Southamerica will come back. I was fooling myself. I kept going here and there were my inspiration took me. I even went to India. I said to myself: I am going to meet a saint, Mother Teresa, and she will give me back my confidence in people. Plus, Hindus have a reputation for being much attached to their religion. I want to see how they live it. Again I found nothing of what I was looking for. Mother Teresa I met personally and let me down.
Then I went to France and lived 6 years in a nuns' monastery. But no sign of the Christian life as I imagined it, as I had known it. I almost lost my faith. One day I was so desperate. i asked myself: what is the use of being a Christian if eventually you are no different than the heathen? I stopped going to mass to avoid losing my faith for good. Deep inside myself I knew religion had to be something different.
Then my father died and left me some money. I was determined. I am a warrior, I never give up as long as there is a chance.
I bought myself many books and started studying. If nobody else was doing the right thing, I was going to self-teach myself how to do it.
And that is how I eventually managed.
Today I am happy that I did. I suffered no end, but I made it. I feel accomplished, I like what I do, I am the only one, but that doesn't bother me. I give myself 10 more years of active life and then I will be old and useless. If you had studied religion as much as I did you would probably see the sense of it.
I was also lucky. It was not all my doing. My parents would abandon me to myself. They did not have any influence in my upbringing. We kept changing countries every few years and meeting new environments and people, so nobody had the time to brainwash me. Then we came to Europe; soon I left for London, then came back , then started travelling. I did not develop one mindset as the world would have imposed on me if I had been all the time in one place only. So I had a good chance to decide for myself. I was lucky.
I will never back down. My intuition and the facts of life tell me I am on the right track.
Oh, and in 1997 I was in London again, reading The Times.
Today I feel a bit lonely leading this unusual, original kind of life and having to solve all the problems, but that too is foreseen.

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ Fergie

@ Fergie

Goodbye and your maundering rubbish. We will probably See You Next Thursday.

Have a wonderfully ignorant life....until you need one of those pesky graduates to help you through some pain....

Sheldon's picture
Nine fucking pages of

Nine fucking pages of Ferguson's disjointed rants, and he's rehashing the woefully idiotic Pascal's wager.

You almost feel sorry for anyone this clueless. Did anyone make it through that last piece of incoherent self congratulatory verbiage? It was almost physically painful to read in places.

There is no risk at all in not believing in fantasies that no objective evidence can be demonstrated for. I'm no more scared of Hell than I am of being dragged to a watery grave by mermaids. Both ideas are equally preposterous, childish myths for scaring children, sadly some of them are not bright enough to see through it when they grow up.

I love his lies about angry atheists hating him though. How many theists have sought out the atheists here to preach angrily at them as he has done, then without a hint of irony lie that we are somehow angrily obsessed with them?

SFT used that risible lie quite a bit. Now he's a muslim so if Ferguson is right he's not taking any risk as he believes in a deity. It takes a special level of stupidity to use Pascal's wager, it really does.

Rohan M.'s picture
@Sheldon

@Sheldon

"I love his lies about angry atheists hating him though. How many theists have sought out the atheists here to preach angrily at them as he has done, then without a hint of irony lie that we are somehow angrily obsessed with them?"

Lol so true, that one cracks me up whenever a butthurt theist whines about perpetually angry, cruel, and/or my personal favorite, "militant" atheists hating them as it were and "saying meeean things to me waah", but then flares up, gets angry, and throws a hissy-fit at the mere mention of words like "imaginary sky-fairy".

ferguson1951's picture
WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE? NOBODY

WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE? NOBODY

Rohan M.'s picture
"WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE? NOBODY

@ferguson1951

"WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE? NOBODY"

Oh, boo hoo. We are bloody stating opinions about your precious fairytales, and you apparently can't cope with critical thinking when it goes against an idea that for some reason must never be questioned by anybody anywhere on the planet. The humanity!

Just so you know, screeching in all-caps and childishly playing the Who Are You To Judge™ card when challenged doesn't help your case. It only makes your beliefs look even more absurd (and you more insecure in them), as they apparently require uncritical deference from everyone rather than just being able to stand on their own.

We'll state whatever opinions we damn want to about your archaic, bronze-aged fairytales, so you can go and cry about it.

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ fERGIE

@ fERGIE

Strikes me you were the first to cast a stone....

David Killens's picture
@ferguson1951

@ferguson1951

"WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE? NOBODY"

I will judge you, and anyone else who has been exposed to you or your opinions can also do so.

It is human nature to assign a judgement to everything they encounter, it is also a social grace to abstain from making public their opinion.That it motivated by our desire to achieve social harmony, to not stir up animosity or a fight without just cause. But you came in here with guns blazing and have continually expressed animosity against atheism and education.

Darn right I will judge you, and I will also express my opinion, you ignorant and bigoted piece of useless shit !!!

You do not contribute to any society or organization, you are a transient in life, and there is a very good reason why no society or group will accept you. No matter what the organization, assholes of your ilk are unwelcome. When you die, no one will miss you, no one will shed a tear.

Of all the people I have encountered in this forum, you are the one with the most hate, and the one most toxic.

Science and logic (although you are mis-applying their definitions) are what moves us from the stone age to an enlightened species enjoying an ever-improving standard of life.

Sheldon's picture
blockquote> ferguson1951

blockquote> ferguson1951 "WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE? NOBODY"

Who are you? A woefully ill informed nobody, who has sought out atheists to judge them, and preach his risible superstitious fantasies to.

Rohan M.'s picture
So he refuses to show any

So he refuses to show any proof of his existence (which doesn't exactly help the fact that there is no credible, verifiable, authentic evidence for his existence).

And you are backing all of this up with a book which, though I hate to break it to you, is not a legitimate source just because it says that it is. If anything, the events written in it (most of which just so happen to bear striking resemblance to the stories of religious texts that existed prior to yours, like the flood of Judeo-Christian mythology vs the flood of ancient Sumerian mythology for example, but that's obviously 100% coincidental) were written down decades after they supposedly happened- not to mention that these "accounts" of them have been translated, retranslated, and revised and re-revised by kings and religious leaders who would keep only their favorite parts- many, many times throughout the 2000-year lifetime of your religion.

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If I was you, I would not

If I was you, I would not insist on logic. It is illogical.

89% of world population believes in some kind of god, although they cannot prove there is one.

The remaining 11% does not believe in any god, although they cannot prove there isn't one.

By the way, world population holding a college degree is 6.7%.

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Plagiarized from here:https:/
Rohan M.'s picture
Argumentum ad populum. A

Argumentum ad populum. A majority of people believing something does not make it automatically a fact.

For example, there was once a time when the vast majority of people believed the world was flat. Nowadays anyone who has half a brain, has ever been in an airplane, or who has watched a ship disappear below the horizon from the shore will tell you that this is demonstrably false.

Did the majority of people who lived in the Middle Ages believing that the world is flat make it automatically flat? It is the same with God.

And here's the kicker: the exact same argument you're using can just be fired right back at you; for example:

"uhhhhhh teh vast majority of Estonians (about 85%) and Swedes (about 82%) do not believe in gods can they all be wrongs hahahahahaha gotcha LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL XDXDXD i'm so smart and am always right about everything!!!!1!!!11!!!!111!!!!!!!!!1!" (note to other atheists who are reading this: DO NOT use this argument or its horrendous spelling seriously EVER.)

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@ferguson1951Removed that

@ferguson1951
Removed that plagiarized material, right now. You don't have any strikes left.

Sheldon's picture
ferguson1951 "If I was you, I

ferguson1951 "If I was you, I would not insist on logic. It is illogical. 89% of world population believes in some kind of god, although they cannot prove there is one. The remaining 11% does not believe in any god, although they cannot prove there isn't one. By the way, world population holding a college degree is 6.7%."

What is it with religious apologists placing unnecessary line breaks in their fucking posts? To describe logic as illogical is too stupid to be worthy of rebuttal, again thanks for the belly laugh. Ironically your second sentence is argumentum ad populum, a common logical fallacy that involves a bare appeal to numbers. Your third sentence is argumentum ad ignorantiam, or an appeal to ignorance fallacy. Something is not proved by a lack of contrary evidence, this is the most basic understanding of flaws in reasoning, and you don't even know they exists I'll bet. Your last sentence seems to missing one of your ludicrous sweeping punchlines, we all know how much you love vapid rhetoric and erroneous hyperbole.

By the way, the number of theists who can demonstrate a shred of objective evidence for any deity is none.

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