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@beleevur
'I've seen spirits' - I think you get your spirits from a bottle, like a genie or something. Primitive magical thinking.
@beleevur:
Oh, you cannot say this shit... http://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/debate-room/god-bible-just?page=1#... ... and then let the schizophrenics, the psychotics, and the other mentally ill have encounters with imaginary beings you take for real, well, unless you're one of them. Have you had any encounter in the third phase with imaginary beings? Do you see unicorns riding through the streets? Winged beings who tell you about the end of the world? Although on the other hand that would explain many things, of course.
@beleevur
The burden of proof is on the one making the claim. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Hume's Dictum - In order for a miraculous claim to be true, the falsification of it must be more miraculous. Occam's Razor - When given 2 or more solutions to a problem, the simplest one with the least assumptions is the best.
@beleever
TWO BIG FUCKING PROBLEMS with this one!
1) You talk as if the Noah's Ark story is real, but in no way can it be. First of all there couldn't have been pairs of every animal on that Ark. Even if they knew of things like kangaroos (which they didn't0 there wasn't enough room. It's a fable and a bad one at that.
2) Your statement "Geology and climate science as well as genetic science are all things undertaken by fallible, finite human beings, as such, they are not perfectly trustworthy and we see that the conclusions they draw are constantly being reevaluated and corrected as new knowledge comes to light." reveals your true agenda. You don't believe in climate change and global warming even though it is a fact. You don't believe in DNA science because it proves that evolution is a fact.
So now I know that you are not credible.
I knew the crazy would come out if I just waited a little bit and you sure through it right out in plain sight.
@Mykcob3 "things like kangaroos"
There are several species of kangaroos alone, and they're all mad, bad, and dangerous to be around. A kangaroo can punch like Ali and disembowl a man with its toenails. Not things you'd want on a boat.
This whole dopey Noah myth appears to have started with a fellow called Gilgamesh ferrying a few cattle downstream on a raft to escape a local flood.
mykcob4 said: You don't believe in climate change and global warming even though it is a fact. You don't believe in DNA science because it proves that evolution is a fact. So now I know that you are not credible.
beleever says: I'm no expert on climate change I only know there are to competing factions surrounding the matter, I've not looked in to the matter closely enough to render an opinion. As far a DNA is concerned I'm pretty sure it's a settled issue that its credible. As far as it incontrovertibly proving evolution as fact, I have my doubts about that. Evolution is not a theory that all scientist agree on all the details of. I do have a problem with people looking at some strata in the side of a cliff, and asserting that from their examination of it, that they can tell us with absolute certainty what happened 750 million years ago. I think that's a little over confident. Historians argue vehemently over what happened 2 or 300 hundred yrs ago. I'm not an evolutionist but there are believers who are, and I don't believe this means they are not a true Christians. Currently I hold to the literal biblical age of mankind, but I believe the earth could be, or is much older. I believe there is room for interpretation regarding the age of the earth within the bible, perhaps even mankind. My standing with God does not come from what I believe about these matters but what I believe about Jesus Christ. I believe he was born, that he has no earthly father, God was his father, he lived for 33 1/2 yrs, he was God incarnate, he was executed, buried and was in the grave for 3 days and was resurrected, walked on the earth 40 days there after, and then ascended to heaven and all people who have genuine faith in him have the promise of immortality. That's the good news (gospel). The bible is not a science text book. Its a spiritual book that is spiritually discerned.
mykcob4 do you believe the following statement is true? "Geology and climate science as well as genetic science are all things undertaken by fallible, finite human beings, as such, they are not perfectly trustworthy and we see that the conclusions they draw are constantly being reevaluated and corrected as new knowledge comes to light."
No beleever I will not let you put words in my mouth. I will ignore your question that has a predetermined answer of me.
As far as climate change goes the only ones denying that Global Warming is real and that humans caused it are paid hacks of the coal and oil companies and the fools that believe them. No credible scientist denies global warming and that man has caused it.
Evolution is a fact it isn't a theory any longer. No credible science denies evolution.
You question actual PROVED facts. Facts that faced scrutiny, independent verification, and peer review. You accept a myth that has never been proven or verified.
Yes, people can make mistakes, that is why science test everything, verifies their findings, have things independently tested, and peer-reviewed.
I have seen christian in particular deny carbon dating, DNA testing, and why is because it absolutely refutes the christian understanding of the world. They deny evolution even though it has long been proven to be an absolute fact. They deny the age of the earth, the age of the human species because they want to believe in a book of myths. Yet these same christians will go to a doctor to be cured of a disease caused by a bug that they can't even see. In other words, they trust science when it affects them personally but deny science in general. It's ludicrous, stupid, ignorant and hypocritical.
Christians like you are so dependent on clinging to a stone age fantasy that you end up apologizing for it even when it's obvious that it is just a myth. You keep moving the goal post so your myth will fit the narrative.
Well,
The world isn't flat.
The earth orbits the sun not the other way around.
Mankind is about 1 million years old.
Evolution is a fact not a theory.
Global warming is real and was caused by humans polluting the earth with carbon fuels.
DNA testing is accurate.
Carbon dating is accurate.
There is no proof that jesus ever lived.
NO ONE was born of a virgin....EVER!
No one resurrected from death.
Prayer doesn't work.
There is no and never has been a supernatural person, god!
There are no such things as miracles!
The bible is a collection of folklore stolen from other cultures and compiled in the 4th century to consolidate power for Emporer Constantine.
We are not "fools" because we deny or even question your myth.
It is the believer's responsibility to prove their god, not the other way around.
You can't move the goal post just to make your myth fit the narrative!
Those are just fact, NOT opinion, FACT!
@beleevur
In science answers are tentative & are subject to change when new facts are discovered, unlike xtianism that considers religion as absolute. Why are there so many different sects if there is one truth? The 'big boss' couldn't even get that right! You're fired!
beleevur,
Why did most things in the Bible take three or forty days to happen?
@Beleevur: "Geology and climate science as well as genetic science are all things undertaken by fallible, finite human beings, as such, they are not perfectly trustworthy"
Geology has predicted an imminent volcanic eruption on Bali, allowing people to move out of harm's way. Geology also has a good track record in predicting where various minerals will be found. Climate science has correctly predicted major storms in the Atlantic and Pacific in the past few weeks. Genetic science allows women to predict whether they are genetically prone to breast cancer and take preventive action. Next time you have a flu injection, thank genetic science, not god.
The Christian religions have been predicting the end of the world or the second coming of Jesus for two millennia. In all that time, they have never once successfully predicted anything.
How can you compare the arcane mumbo-jumbo in the bible with peer-reviewed science built on brilliant work by generations of great minds?
Religion is something undertaken by fallible, finite human beings, as such, they are not perfectly trustworthy and we see that the conclusions they draw are constantly being reevaluated and corrected as new scientific knowledge comes to light.
AMEN! I agree. I've had to stand corrected a number of times along my journey and undoubtedly I will have to some more.
@beleevur
'Stand corrected' - Did you learn anything?
@beleevur
If humans can be just, how more should a god?
Chimp3 said: I am not convinced! Let your god come and tell me why itself!
beleevur says: Imagine if you will the majesty of such a being that brought the universe into existence. God is big. Some things are to small to see, God is to big to see. You can't back up far enough to see God. If we can't get our heads around the universe in all of it's complexity, how are we to fathom its creator? Only God can enable us to fathom him, this is where faith comes in, it takes over where our finite intellect runs out. We are given access to his divine mind. Who wouldn't want that? Challenge him. He''ll surprise you, be assured. Make an honest appeal to your maker, ask him to reveal himself to you, if you do that, he will show up.(Whosoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved Romans 10:13) Not necessarily as you dictate, after all, since he created the universe, it makes him more qualified to decide how to go about introducing himself to you. If you do make this "honest appeal to God" and God doesn't respond, on judgment day, you'll be free to go - unpunished.
@beleevur: Why should I give a fuck about what you say? You are just a primate like me. I see that your sky fairy has not joined AR and started it's own post. Any idea why?
Give him time. LOL. Perhaps he has - thru human instrumentation.
Through his human creators?
Bullshit beleever! Faith is an excuse for not having facts. How the fuck do you know if this god is too big to see? You don't. Prove it! Prove your goddamned god is too big to see! There is no god!
mycob4: The fact is we don't have all the facts, nor shall we ever. Unless that is, you hope to one day know everything. As far a God being to big to see, I contend that God created the universe. It would take something pretty big to do that. You see God is so grand in the person of his being there is no visual representation of him that could do him justice. God does come to us in ways that are him, but never could we ever fully take in his Grandeur. God wasn't the burning bush, he was in the burning bush. We can experience the Spirit Of God, that is his presence, but since God is everywhere all the time are we experiencing all of God? We are not omnipresent. Nor shall we ever be.
Faith is God showing us something. I saw that Jesus was Gods son and that all the Gospels say about him were true. God gave me that faith. There's plenty of historical evidence to support it. But in the final analysis, it was my encounter with him that convinced me. The historical evidence is important but my relationship with him is most important.
@Beleevur: "God is to big to see"
God used to be a lot bigger. But every new scientific discovery has whittled it down into the ever-diminishing god of the gaps. When (not if) we finally discover how life originated and where the universe came from, god will become redundant and disappear from the human imagination forever.
Algebe: That flower you have as an icon what is that?
@Beleevur: "That flower you have as an icon what is that?"
That's the white rose of York, and latterly the floral symbol of Yorkshire, which is where I was born.
Oh really? It has some similarity to the "Luther rose" Actually this white rose of York is prettier. I'm an Englishman. On my moms side, I thought I was on my dads side too, but my brother did some genealogical research and learned that we were German on my dads side, the family lied to us because back in the early to mid 40s it was to popular to be German in the U.S.A. Do you still live in England?
beleevur
Can you prove your god is to big to see? What evidence do you have for it's existence? Yes the universe can be complex, but that doesn't mean there is a creator. Which god do you refer to as the creator, please give us it's name.
My God go's by a lot of names. Jehovah (some prefer Yahweh they believe its the right pronunciation) Jehovah is usually rendered "Lord" in the KJV). The God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, The I Am, or the I Am that I Am, El Shaddia (Almighty God or All Sufficient one), Elohim (Strength or Power), Adonai (Master or Lord) , The Prince of Peace, The Everlasting Father, The Ancient of days, Jesus, The Self Existent One, The Mighty Counselor, King of Kings, Lord of Lords, The Most High God, The Lord of Host.
When addressing God I usually refer to him as Father, Heavenly Father, Lord, Jesus, Dear Lord Jesus. Some times in special prayers I say Elohim, Adonai, El Shaddai and God Almighty, in fact to some degree all of the above. I also say: My Maker, My Creator.
beleevur,
Why do you believe in the ancient Israelite/Hebrew/Jewish deity?
beleevur,
Your statement about Yahweh (the God of the Hebrews and the God of the armies) being too big to see is contrary to the biblical fairy tale. In the Bible a lot of people saw him. Moses spoke to Yahweh face to face and other people saw his butt. Besides, isn't Yesuha supposed to be God? Was he invisible? Countless people supposedly saw and touched him in the fairy tale.
He speaks through His servants who listen...fire away Chimp! He just joined today!
Sinner: So you admit that you speak for your god? Did you create it too?
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