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Geez, cosmic porn. I do have to admit that's something new to me.
We must avoid discussing the rings of Saturn and Uranus.
@David Re: "Geez, cosmic porn. I do have to admit that's something new to me."
Obviously, you have never watched "Barbarella" or "Flesh Gordan". lol
Fascinating topic. I'll jump in too.
I'm not sure about others but I'm confident that everyone will agree with me here:
1) We cannot prove that god does or does not exist. It's stupid, why should we even do that when there's no evidence or anything to support the existence of god!
2) We CAN and VERY WELL CAN prove that the god of islam, christianity, judaism, hinduism DOES NOT EXIST! So, what does that mean? Maybe I'm missing the 2596 other gods because I don't know what religions they belong to. Did you know that more than a thousand gods have existed ever since the beginning of human life?
I don't think any of us should care about trying to prove the existence of god in general when we can DISPROVE THE EXISTENCE OF EVERY EXISTING RELIGION'S GOD(S).
Fair enough?
If you do care about how your islamic god allah can be disproved, then you are at the right place. Ask any question and evidence from your own religion backed up with neutral history and archaeological proofs will be provided to prove your religion as entirely false.
I am very well capable of baffling your mind because I'm an ex-Muslim, ex-Hafiz and ex teacher of Quranic Arabic.
please sir, do explain how you think Allah doesn't exist(even though He does).
i am willing to listen, please provide me with the contradictory evidence if there is any .
An omnipotent and omnipresent being has not been observed to exist anywhere. Therefore no such being exists.
[sock puppet account locked - Nyarlathotep]Quantum, you wrote, “please sir, do explain how you think Allah doesn't exist(even though He does).
i am willing to listen, please provide me with the contradictory evidence if there is any .”
If you would be willing to engage in some critical self-examination, you would see by what you have written that that you would not, in fact, listen. By virtue of your comment in the parentheses, you have indicated you have already made up your mind.
Qm
As an Atheist, I don't have to prove your god is real.
It is your job to prove your god is real. That means giving objective evidence, not subjective evidence from your mind.
Your holy book is the claim, not the evidence.
Lack of evidence is lack of existence. We have spent 1500 years looking for his dumb ass and come up with nothing. I would say, of the two of us, I am standing on firmer grounds. All you have are inane assertions, myths, and unsubstantiated claims. Basically you are attempting to lie your god into existence. That's just fucked up.
It is demonstrably contradictory and irrational to claim an all powerfull and all merciful deity exists and yet created a world with ubiquitous suffering.
This is of course an argument and not objective evidence. However it's absurd to demand evidence for a non existent thing, what does the evidence for non existent unicorns look like?
@ quantummistake
Very, very simple.
No Evidence = No Existence
You have the burden of supplying irrefutable objective hard empirical evidence. Otherwise, No Evidence of Allah = No Existence of Allah.
Simple really.
Quit skipping elementary school little boy.
rmfr
One night I was sitting and thought, "Wouldn't it be nice to have a universe with a bunch of night lights?" And, BOOM!, there it was.
>:P
rmfr
What I find fascinating is how science has answered so much and has been so accurate...
And yet some still have to squeeze in a cosmic mage of their choice in order to fit the narrative they believe in.
Its stuns me we can regress causally from how life came to be, how the earth formed, knowing our local system to being able to see other systems and so on... All the way to the microwave background radiation using the scientific method... but the moment science is honest and says, "well, we don't know yet!" Theism slides in like the inevitable thick douche in a romcom and try to proclaim it must be a designer? A god? An intellect and so fourth.
I would have more respect for theism and theists if they could also be honest and say, " we don't know either, but we hope....".
@ RandomHero1982
I loved your old avatar. I also love the new one. Kewl.
rmfr
@arakish
Thank you very much.
where did that microwave background radiation come from (MBR) and if that came from something else scientific then where did that come from?
Everything within this universe can trace its history to the start of the Big Bang.
Why do you assume that everything had a first cause?
because it did scientists know this.
You seriously need to change your username pal...
"MBR" or CMB, originated almost 400,000 years after the big bang (I'm sure it's in the three hundred thousands but a little fuzzy on the approximate estimation by science).
Everything from your parents conception with you, to the evolution of the species, to the formation of earth and our local system... all the way back to the big bang and beyond.. can be described and understood by physical and natural laws.
At no point does a deity need to be introduced.
Now would you be kind enough to demonstrate to me the causal link to exactly where a God would come into play, and preferably without a fallacious god of the gaps play.
Sorry RH1982, the CMBR (Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation) started about 100,000 years after the Universal Expansion Event (UEE) began. I prefer UEE to Big Bang Event since there was no "bang", but it was big.
@ quantummystic
As I have said, we are now proving that events can occur without any cause. I propose that the Universal Expansion Event could have occurred without any cause. However, it has had some spectacular results.
Quit skipping school little boy and bothering us adults.
rmfr
Last I read was over 300K my friend, I just had a quick look and it appears to say likewise on wiki although I'd prefer a stronger and more reliable source then them.
Don't worry, I just use the colloquial term of 'big bang', i know there was no actual bang.
Sorry, we are both correct. Just looked it up. The CMBR (as I call it) began forming at about 100,000 years after the big bang and fully formed by about 380,000 years after the big bang.
Sorry about that. I just always remembered the 100,000 part.
Let me go spank myself for being a bad boy...
rmfr
That's cool! I kinda had an inkling that was where this was going lol...
Oh spanking you say???
Tin-man... looks like we got ourselves a fresh oneeeee!!!
@Random Re: "Tin-man... looks like we got ourselves a fresh oneeeee!!!"
Yay!... *clapping excitedly*... You hold his branches! I'll go get the wet noodles and start the lashing! Then we can all switch places!... *giggle-giggle*... Oh, goodie-goodie! A spanking!
https://youtu.be/DtcSYPjJbgg
"where did that microwave background radiation come from (MBR) and if that came from something else scientific then where did that come from?"
What you're looking for is a gap in scientific understanding so you can insert your fictional deity into it. This is called a "god of the gaps argument" it's based on argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy.
how many times do i need to say this the "God of the gaps" argument is irrelevant before science existed and yes science had an absolute beginning it cannot have created itself.
use your brain and allow your mind to comprehend the fact that yes God can exist
@ quantummishap
"use your brain and allow your mind to comprehend the fact that yes God can exist"
No Evidence = No Existence
How many times MUST you be told this? Science existed before there were any humans. Science existed before humans started creating religions. Science will exist long after we are gone. Hell, one could say that Science was the only thing that did exist even before the "big bang."
Truth is the Truth even if no one believes it. Lies are still Lies even if everyone believes them.
You need to go back to school little boy. This time do not skip so many classes.
rmfr
EDIT: changed a "were" to a "we"
If "God of the Gaps" is irrelevant, why in the hell do you keep using it. HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS. It does not matter where you begin. Begin with the frigging trees, the origin of life, hamsters, or the Cosmic Background Radiation.... IT DOES NOT MATTER. Begin with Science. The starting point is IRRELEVANT. Keep asking the question "Where does it come from?" and you will eventually get to "I DON'T KNOW." YOU DO NOT GET TO INSERT YOUR SILLY IDEA OF GOD AT THIS POINT.
There is no evidence, what so ever, that allows you to make the assertion that science could not have created itself. There is no evidence what so ever that allows you to draw the conclusion that Blue Universe Creating Rabbits could not have created science. You do not get to make assertions beyond that point which we do not know what happened. You do not get to assert "nothing." You do not get to assert "god." You do not get to assert "things can not create themselves." You are in fact, once again, making a God of the gaps argument. You can not prove "Science did not create itself."
That is the stupidest sentence I have ever written. "Science did not create itself." Assuming of course there is something called science that was created at some point in time as the Quantumbaby suggests.
DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT SCIENCE IS? Holey frigging Muhammad this kid is dense!!!
@ Cognostic Re: …this kid is dense.
I think we have discover a second black hole. This kids brain and Apollo's.
Dense ain't the word. Impenetrable. Impervious. Inaccessible.
rmfr
"Dense ain't the word. Impenetrable. Impervious. Inaccessible."
That's exactly how I feel about you guys.
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